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Always Connected: Generation Z, the “Digitarians”

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Re: Always Connected: Generation Z, the “Digitarians”

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I have a gaggle of children, and I have noticed that my 5 year old son thinks many devices have voice control, and he views this as normal.

My 11 year old son and 8 year old always think every screen has a touch interface, but they don't use voice.

To me, it seems that there is a break in those generations. The 5 year old is voice activating his tablet, amazon fire tv, watches his parents voice command their phones driving - this is all totally normal to him and you can see he will often try a voice command on a device unfamiliar to him.

The older boys think using a PC is novel, and look at me strangely when I tell them about DOS and Windows 3.1 //// oh well...

Re: Always Connected: Generation Z, the “Digitarians”

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I have a gaggle of children, and I have noticed that my 5 year old son thinks many devices have voice control, and he views this as normal. My 11 year old son and 8 year old always think every screen has a touch interface, but they don't use voice. To me, it seems that there is a break in those generations. The 5 year old is voice activating his tablet, amazon fire tv, watches his parents voice command their phones d…

Do they think all the magic takes place on the devices, or somewhere else? e.g. do they think of "syncing" as something that occurs directly between devices, or that involves services in the middle?

Re: Always Connected: Generation Z, the “Digitarians”

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Can someone please remind me how demographers defend treating post-WWII generations as being 20 years in length when the evidence is very clear that real generations are much longer?

http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Generation_length

I wouldn't care so much if it weren't for having to endure another round of inane punditry.

Re: Always Connected: Generation Z, the “Digitarians”

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With all due respect, what a bunch of b.s. Goes to show that always being connected maybe isn't all it's hyped up to be. From the sound of it, it doesn't appear to produce any lasting insights. p.s. Whoever typed "exec" to run a DOS program? p.p.s. "Software is a dead. Digitarians know apps, games, and web browsers." WTF?

Digitarians know how to push big buttons, know nothing of how said buttons work, progress indeed. Depends on your definition of progress.

Re: Always Connected: Generation Z, the “Digitarians”

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I have a gaggle of children, and I have noticed that my 5 year old son thinks many devices have voice control, and he views this as normal. My 11 year old son and 8 year old always think every screen has a touch interface, but they don't use voice. To me, it seems that there is a break in those generations. The 5 year old is voice activating his tablet, amazon fire tv, watches his parents voice command their phones d…

Which commands do they use to start? "Ok, tablet"? Soon your next child will wave at the device and wonder about the appendice with plenty of keys attached to the computer.

Re: Always Connected: Generation Z, the “Digitarians”

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post #7

Just got back from a family reunion and my relations' kids were glued to their tablets playing mindless games and watching YouTube unattended for 4 hour spells and more day after day. It was so depressing, all these boring consumer drones in the making. My kids get 1 hour of screen time a day, max (until they decide to become coders, and then the cap is lifted. :)

I was raised by parents who strictly limited my computer time to one hour a day. I spent most of it playing games, so perhaps their concern was justified. But I loved the computer, so, so much. And of course, I would do anything to sneak around the limits: wait until my parents went to sleep, binge while they were away, etc. It created a rather ugly tension between us; very adversarial. Upon later reflection, I reali…

I was allowed many hours on the computer(albeit often having to take turns with my brother), but I concur that the emotional labor of listening and understanding is the number one thing my parents never "got." As I got older, their vicarious-living tendencies became more obvious - they wanted me doing things they personally liked and that was the farthest they could see.

That would be fine, but if it wasn't on their radar of likes, they saw no reason to bring it up or discuss it - and if I brought it up, they had a pattern of dismissal with no pledge of support or further discussion - sometimes using the Grave Serious tone, sometimes using the Explanatory, That's Nice, or Maybe Later tone. If I escalated or presented work to them, they would categorize it as a "career", "hobby" or "skill development" and position it relative to their preferred activities in a way which induced anxiety and discouraged me from continuing. The only thing I wanted was basic interest or acknowledgement, and they consistently messed that up by wheeling every conversation directly towards their comfort zone. To this day, if I try to talk about a personal issue, they rush to provide unsolicited solutions and explanations. I finally managed to unlearn the explaining pattern myself as I got into my later 20's, as my friends brought it to light.

So, at least at that time, I gave up on parental engagement and hid my life away in the computer instead, since at least there were people online, while weathering the (relatively mild, compared with others) storms of their own fancy. So too, I think, is the role of all of today's devices - when the family doesn't care, the screen fills in. It's a symptom.

I think it's right to set down rules at an early age. That is one thing I think my parents did do right, and the early years are probably more crucial overall. But they had no idea how to proceed from there - kids aren't going to be exactly like their parents, and that requires a lot of listening when they get into adolescence and try to speak for themselves.

Re: Always Connected: Generation Z, the “Digitarians”

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post #6

Just got back from a family reunion and my relations' kids were glued to their tablets playing mindless games and watching YouTube unattended for 4 hour spells and more day after day. It was so depressing, all these boring consumer drones in the making. My kids get 1 hour of screen time a day, max (until they decide to become coders, and then the cap is lifted. :)

Well there's screen time and screen time. Building something cool in minecraft is pretty different from watching spongebob on netflix. http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2014/06/30

"Building something cool in minecraft is pretty different from watching spongebob on netflix."

Is it? Why is watching and thinking about something less valuable than "building" something?

Re: Always Connected: Generation Z, the “Digitarians”

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Just got back from a family reunion and my relations' kids were glued to their tablets playing mindless games and watching YouTube unattended for 4 hour spells and more day after day. It was so depressing, all these boring consumer drones in the making. My kids get 1 hour of screen time a day, max (until they decide to become coders, and then the cap is lifted. :)

>> all these boring consumer drones in the making.

On the upside, if you raise your own kids right they'll run circles around these drones in the job market. Sometimes having the collective bar set lower works out ok :)

Re: Always Connected: Generation Z, the “Digitarians”

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post #7

Just got back from a family reunion and my relations' kids were glued to their tablets playing mindless games and watching YouTube unattended for 4 hour spells and more day after day. It was so depressing, all these boring consumer drones in the making. My kids get 1 hour of screen time a day, max (until they decide to become coders, and then the cap is lifted. :)

I was raised by parents who strictly limited my computer time to one hour a day. I spent most of it playing games, so perhaps their concern was justified. But I loved the computer, so, so much. And of course, I would do anything to sneak around the limits: wait until my parents went to sleep, binge while they were away, etc. It created a rather ugly tension between us; very adversarial. Upon later reflection, I reali…

I like your comment too, and I want to build exactly the tension between my kids and me that you had with your parents. First, there are studies about screen time, it's not anecdotal that too much screen time hurts a kid's creativity/imagination and can be linked to childhood obesity and trouble sleeping.

What your parents did, that you (rightly) resented as a kid, was to make you value your time. It made you get creative, and it forced you to concentrate and maximize your leisure time. You were a maker, not a consumer, right from the start. Whether you became a professional software developer or not as an adult doesn't matter.

Your parents did a great job in my opinion, and you no longer resent what they did! Win, win!

Re: Always Connected: Generation Z, the “Digitarians”

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was raised by parents who strictly limited my computer time to one hour a day. I spent most of it playing games, so perhaps their concern was justified. But I loved the computer, so, so much. And of course, I would do anything to sneak around the limits: wait until my parents went to sleep, binge while they were away, etc. It created a rather ugly tension between us; very adversarial. Upon later reflection, I reali…

I like your comment too, and I want to build exactly the tension between my kids and me that you had with your parents. First, there are studies about screen time, it's not anecdotal that too much screen time hurts a kid's creativity/imagination and can be linked to childhood obesity and trouble sleeping. What your parents did, that you (rightly) resented as a kid, was to make you value your time. It made you get cre…

I should clarify that what I described in my post took place during adolescence (age 10+), not childhood. The case for restricting screen use during childhood is more clear.

>It made you get creative, and it forced you to concentrate and maximize your leisure time.

Creative in coming up with ways to evade authority, perhaps. I was intensely paranoid of my parents discovering me on the computer. It sure was great having my adrenaline spike every half hour or so whenever I heard my mother's footsteps on the stairs. That sort of dynamic is hardly conducive to creative work. Instead, I gravitated towards short-form games, and I mastered the art of Alt-Tabbing. That's how I learned to "maximize my leisure time." I rarely risked playing long-form team-based games with my friends (e.g. StarCraft, DotA) because getting kicked off the computer meant letting my whole team down.

My parents did not succeed in reducing the amount of time I spent on the computer. They succeeded only in causing me to associate the computer with feelings of guilt, shame, and resentment; they succeeded in convincing me that there was something wrong with me.

Look, I'm not a parent, so I am missing some perspective. I understand that parents are people too, with full-time jobs and myriad other responsibilities; they don't always have time to sit down and connect with their kids. Overall, it seems incredibly difficult to instill proper values in a child without also instilling some neuroses along the way. That is why I am able to forgive my parents. But forgiving them does not mean that I agree with their actions. They fell into the old trap -- "People fear what they do not understand" -- and their knee-jerk reaction was to treat me like a drug addict, subjecting me to verbal abuse, constant monitoring, and the occasional "this-time-we're-serious" intervention. You can do better.

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