Yes GWT 2.0 is impressive but haven;t we had 3 submissions on that in the last week.
Surely nothing new is being said here.
GWT 2.0: So good it's ridiculous
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why ask this forum when the article explores this in detail?
Does it, really? Most of the optimizations mentioned in the article (compression/obfuscation, module system, yslow integration) or in these comments (debugging, refactoring, auto completion) are all available/possible in javascript alone. What tangible benefits require Java's type system?
Guided code splitting and type tightening (with associated devirtualization) are serious optimizations that can't be done today in JS. GWT can guarantee the immutability of JS object shapes - something you can't do with bog-standard JS.
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#13GWT always sounds interesting, but I am underwhelmed by the application gallery. Every app looks like a draft version of gmail, google maps or google wave. Any links to impressive interfaces (non google-built)?
blueprint by lombardi is pretty good
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#14Those who like statc-typing will always find it ridiculously great. Those used to dynamic-typing will find the idea of writing JavaScript in Java ridiculous, but not great.
There is wisdom in the middle.
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#15Pardon my ignorance but is there a clean way to run GWT with non-JVM server side languages?
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#16The problem with GWT is java, which makes it meh.
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#17While, GWT is a very impressive feat of technical accomplishment. It really misses the mark, the problem with it as well as most of the old desktop development (languages, toolkits, frameworks) is that it favored the developer over the designer. This is one of the reasons for the popularity of the web, it allowed the designer (and the want-to-be designer) the ability to design and build interfaces without having to know a turring complete languages.
When I first started looking to do more dynamic web applications, I was convinced that toolkits like GWT and Echo2 where they way to go but I was reasoning from a Java developers perspective. It makes the job of a Java developer easier, while adding complexity to the task of the designer. This is all well and good when you have a 1-5 man team of experienced Java developers.
I now prefer to use Java (Ruby, C, whatever) to write business logic services on the server and use HTML, css and JavaScript on the client. by writing a UI controller in JavaScript that gets embedded into the HTML file via a script tag it gives very clean separation of HTML, CSS and code this allows a large team to work very productively. Designers work in HTML, CSS. UX developers work in pure JavaScript and business domain developers work in their language of choice.
This coupled with a CMS has allowed us to abandon the kludge of a server side document scripting language (asp, jsp, php) entirely and significantly reduced the complexity of delivering a web application.
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#18GWT always sounds interesting, but I am underwhelmed by the application gallery. Every app looks like a draft version of gmail, google maps or google wave. Any links to impressive interfaces (non google-built)?
blueprint by lombardi is pretty good https://blueprint.lombardi.com/
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#19Pardon my ignorance but is there a clean way to run GWT with non-JVM server side languages?
Define clean.