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Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Post by ujjwalg » Fri, Jul 17, 2015, 9:33 PM UTC

I wrote an article about spam filtering sometime ago. Context was "Spam Filtering should not have any False Positives, ever!".

If anyone is interested they can read it here: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141202174235-36852258--spam...

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#12

Post by dljsjr » Fri, Jul 17, 2015, 9:33 PM UTC

Runaway DMARC policies perhaps?

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#13

Post by kasey_junk » Fri, Jul 17, 2015, 9:34 PM UTC

Assumedly my corpus is much lower than his, but I noticed similar things starting some time "this week".

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#14

Post by dasil003 » Fri, Jul 17, 2015, 9:34 PM UTC

I could see 20% false positives on spam for Linus equating to 0.1% of false positives across the board since I suspect the people emailing Linus are 200 times more likely to be running their own mail server than the general public.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#15

Post by c5karl » Fri, Jul 17, 2015, 9:35 PM UTC

I've had a problem with false positives in my spam folder for months. A large percentage of the email newsletters I subscribe to end up in my spam folder every day, and clicking Notspam doesn't help. I can Notspam a certain newsletter every day for a week, and then the next day that same newsletter will end up in my Spam folder once again.

I'm starting to think that Notspam signals have no effect at an individual level. Either that or the button is simply a placebo.

Fortunately, the false positives for personal correspondence from individuals are still extremely rare, at least for me.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#16

Post by guelo » Fri, Jul 17, 2015, 9:35 PM UTC

I fear SMTP is going to go the way of RSS at the hands of these giant corps. Closed protocols within machine gun lined walled gardens are the future. Sorry old idealistic computer hipies, we've failed you.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#17

Post by lolo_ » Fri, Jul 17, 2015, 9:35 PM UTC

lolo_ wrote: post #9

I've had the same experience with the LKML lately (been subscribed for about 8 months, generally spam filter has had v. few false positives), can't remember exact numbers, but big, big chunks have been incorrectly labelled. There seems to be a fair bit of spam sent to the LKML, I don't know whether there's been more lately, but perhaps the large amount of email sent to many people for the LKML and the fact there's a…

Data point: of the 28 messages in my spam folder just now (recently cleared down after picking out real LKML messages), 8 are LKML, though all are legitimately spam atm.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#18

Post by easyd » Fri, Jul 17, 2015, 9:36 PM UTC

Google recently posted "The mail you want, not the spam you don’t":

http://gmailblog.blogspot.de/2015/07/the-mail-you-want-not-s...

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#19

Post by ossreality » Fri, Jul 17, 2015, 9:37 PM UTC

I had mail that was in my Inbox, shown to me as a notification in Android... and when I went to find it later it had been moved to the spam folder. Highly unacceptable IMO.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#20

Post by hauget » Fri, Jul 17, 2015, 9:38 PM UTC

alexdmiller wrote: post #7

elevensies wrote: post #5

It might not be related, but I've been seeing some spam in my gmail inbox in the past month. It seems that something has upset the balance. For example, this went to my inbox: From: [...] Baby Subject: HELLO HANDSOME Body: HOW ARE YOU DOING

Interesting, I've been getting very similar spam messages slip into my gmail inbox.

Likewise.