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Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by brobinson »

quadrature wrote: post #4
ceejayoz wrote: post #3

If the domain is bitbin.de and the mail server is hosted on the same server, it's probably Hetzner being scorched-earth for deliverability, just like any other major hosting provider will be. Email from AWS, Rackspace, Heroku etc. get a drastically higher starting spam score because people fire up servers there to spam. Running the email through something like Amazon SES or Mandrill would probably be helpful. Both ha…

This seems to also be the case with DO, I setup a mail server on an instance there and can't escape people's spam boxes.

Check the IP against the spam blacklists: http://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx

You might have to spin up a bunch of servers to find one which doesn't have a blacklisted IP. Then you have to build the IP's "reputation" with the various providers before you can send a significant amount of email through it.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by MichaelCrawford »

runin2k1 wrote: post #6

That's all a bit presumptive and inflammatory for what amounts to pure speculation on the part of the author. Google stands to lose a lot more from a potential PR disaster for burning former customers who move away from hosting than they do from trying to convert a tiny portion of users to a free mail hosting service.

My own cousin blackholed my gmail because gmail sends so mych spam. I had to ask him to configure an exception just for me.

If you dont want to receive spam use lafn.org. I dont know how one gets an account there but I expect it doesnt cost anything.

If you want a full VPS use http://prgmr.com/ - "we dont assume you are stupid.". Its a hosting service operated by neckbeards for the benefit of their fellow neckbeards.

Quite cheap, I get mine for free because I help them with their marketing.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by brobinson »

petercooper wrote: post #9

I send a LOT of emails each month (email newsletter business - yes, legit!) and ran into an separate but topically related and amusing problem recently. My newsletters are aimed at developers, and one issue went out and was considered by Gmail to be a 'phishing' attempt. I couldn't figure it out. Several issues later, another one was picked up the same way and I figured it out.. In both issues, one of the items was l…

It's probably specifically penalizing anything matching /https?:\/\/0/ because you can specify an IP address using hex or octal in most common browsers.

hex: http://0xD83AC02E

octal: http://033016540056

That's my guess, at any rate.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by jsnell »

ceejayoz wrote: post #3

If the domain is bitbin.de and the mail server is hosted on the same server, it's probably Hetzner being scorched-earth for deliverability, just like any other major hosting provider will be. Email from AWS, Rackspace, Heroku etc. get a drastically higher starting spam score because people fire up servers there to spam. Running the email through something like Amazon SES or Mandrill would probably be helpful. Both ha…

I run a server on Hetzner that sends maybe 100k messages a week, and appears to have no problems with delivery. It doesn't even have SPF or DKIM set up. And I'm pretty sure that if messages were not getting delivered, users would complain. At least that's exactly what happened the one time there was a configuration screwup [1] that made some email providers reject mail from that server.

So I don't know if that theory explains the issue either, though it could be a component.

[1] https://www.snellman.net/blog/archive/2014-12-05-how-buying-...

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by gknoy »

bitJericho wrote: post #10

Seems like author hasn't done enough troubleshooting and has jumped to a conclusion. My recommendation is to run through google's troubleshooting steps on the issue: https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/2920052?hl=en Also make sure a DMARC record is setup.

At the end of that, it asks about whether your server passes "the diagnostic tests" -- but I didn't see a link to which tests it was talking about.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by MichaelCrawford »

petercooper wrote: post #9

I send a LOT of emails each month (email newsletter business - yes, legit!) and ran into an separate but topically related and amusing problem recently. My newsletters are aimed at developers, and one issue went out and was considered by Gmail to be a 'phishing' attempt. I couldn't figure it out. Several issues later, another one was picked up the same way and I figured it out.. In both issues, one of the items was l…

I plan to build a developer mailing list but am hesitant to actually do so because all the advice I read tells me to do things that I personally find morally reprehensible.

tl;dr: I would blackhole my own mailserver.

Have you any advice for me?

Im planning to use confirmation as is done by free software mailing lists but my concern is how to flog my website without offending anyone by flogging my website.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by kbar13 »

MichaelCrawford wrote: post #12
runin2k1 wrote: post #6

That's all a bit presumptive and inflammatory for what amounts to pure speculation on the part of the author. Google stands to lose a lot more from a potential PR disaster for burning former customers who move away from hosting than they do from trying to convert a tiny portion of users to a free mail hosting service.

My own cousin blackholed my gmail because gmail sends so mych spam. I had to ask him to configure an exception just for me. If you dont want to receive spam use lafn.org. I dont know how one gets an account there but I expect it doesnt cost anything. If you want a full VPS use http://prgmr.com/ - "we dont assume you are stupid.". Its a hosting service operated by neckbeards for the benefit of their fellow neckbeards.…

i got mine for writing a tutorial for setting up archlinux on prgmr on their wiki. :D

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by arihant »

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." -- Spock.

I'd rather have a few geeky people like me not have the fun of self hosting an e-mail server, than waste millions of man hours round the world because of people dealing with spam.

If you must hack, however, use something like Mailgun. It is more hacky in a way that you can program your incoming mail the way you want, not just install a mail server with a few commands.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by alanpost »

MichaelCrawford wrote: post #12
runin2k1 wrote: post #6

That's all a bit presumptive and inflammatory for what amounts to pure speculation on the part of the author. Google stands to lose a lot more from a potential PR disaster for burning former customers who move away from hosting than they do from trying to convert a tiny portion of users to a free mail hosting service.

My own cousin blackholed my gmail because gmail sends so mych spam. I had to ask him to configure an exception just for me. If you dont want to receive spam use lafn.org. I dont know how one gets an account there but I expect it doesnt cost anything. If you want a full VPS use http://prgmr.com/ - "we dont assume you are stupid.". Its a hosting service operated by neckbeards for the benefit of their fellow neckbeards.…

I run a personal mail server there too. I'm very happy with them: I was in the free tier for years, after they acquired the hosting provider I had been using. I recently asked them to start billing and am very happy to be a paying customer.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by techsupporter »

arihant wrote: post #18

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." -- Spock. I'd rather have a few geeky people like me not have the fun of self hosting an e-mail server, than waste millions of man hours round the world because of people dealing with spam. If you must hack, however, use something like Mailgun. It is more hacky in a way that you can program your incoming mail the way you want, not just install a mail server with…

That...doesn't make any sense. The author doesn't appear to be spamming or doing any kind of mailing list traffic. He is an individual communicating with other individuals. That's kind of the whole point of this Internet thing we have going here. Besides, he's only being singled out by Google; no other providers seem to have a problem with his domain and Google's own headers show that everything is fine.
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