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Sophie Wilson, Acorn and the development of ARM

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Re: Sophie Wilson, Acorn and the development of ARM

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I too owned a whole bunch of Acorn stuff. Most of the software was excellent. The best basic interpreter around and a very good shot at a DOS. The Acorn 'Unicorn' was excellent but too expensive and this is roughly where the parent comment comes in. So Acorn did a lot of good stuff before they lost the plot, roughly around the time they released the Archimedes, which was an amazing machine for the time but the Amiga…

Yes the BASIC interpreter was the best thing there was on the platform. Mainly for me at least because it was heavily structured, didn't require line numbering like earlier versions and had a stupidly powerful inline assembler. I had a 1040ST and an Amiga 500 at the time as well (spot the geek) and the software wasn't that great on those platforms either IMHO. Even PDS on DOS was nicer to program in with the 2kg pile…

I'll grant you excel.

Re: Sophie Wilson, Acorn and the development of ARM

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I think there's a lot of fondness for Acorn, at least here in the UK but I'd like to offer a slightly more accurate history. I was the owner of many Acorn machines including BBC B, Master, A410, RiscPC 600. The hardware, clearly designed or at least originated by Sophie Wilson was remarkable. It was robust, well designed and incredibly expandable. To this day there is not a single computer that actually made sense mo…

"Now I certainly enjoyed the platform but in retrospect, I'd have invested my money in something else back then if I knew what was going to happen."

I take your point about Acorn as a business but I used a 'lab' full of RISC-OS 2 bases A310s at College with 20Mb Rodime hard drives. We did scanning, dtp, Genesis multimedia packages &c and various home grown projects.

What else could we have bought at that time for similar use cases? Not trolling, my memory of the time is hazy and I recollect being extremely underwhelmed by DOS based PCs in another 'lab'.

EDIT: flashbacks to Aldus Framemaker on Apricot PCs, Amstrad PCW spreadsheet applications being used in a theatre box office, and an early 9" screen Mac being used with some form of DTP software.

Re: Sophie Wilson, Acorn and the development of ARM

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I think there's a lot of fondness for Acorn, at least here in the UK but I'd like to offer a slightly more accurate history. I was the owner of many Acorn machines including BBC B, Master, A410, RiscPC 600. The hardware, clearly designed or at least originated by Sophie Wilson was remarkable. It was robust, well designed and incredibly expandable. To this day there is not a single computer that actually made sense mo…

Is there a good source of information about ARX (the originally-planned OS for the Acorn ARM machines) out there? I did search around a bit a few years back and found very, very little.

Re: Sophie Wilson, Acorn and the development of ARM

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Yes the BASIC interpreter was the best thing there was on the platform. Mainly for me at least because it was heavily structured, didn't require line numbering like earlier versions and had a stupidly powerful inline assembler. I had a 1040ST and an Amiga 500 at the time as well (spot the geek) and the software wasn't that great on those platforms either IMHO. Even PDS on DOS was nicer to program in with the 2kg pile…

I'll grant you excel.

*sheet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ViewSheet

Re: Sophie Wilson, Acorn and the development of ARM

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I think there's a lot of fondness for Acorn, at least here in the UK but I'd like to offer a slightly more accurate history. I was the owner of many Acorn machines including BBC B, Master, A410, RiscPC 600. The hardware, clearly designed or at least originated by Sophie Wilson was remarkable. It was robust, well designed and incredibly expandable. To this day there is not a single computer that actually made sense mo…

I learned almost all my low-level computer knowledge from Archimedes & RISC PC through the 90s. Very glad that ARM code is still a useful skill, even if knowledge of absolute memory address of OS_ SWI patch tables went in the dustbin :)

But it was only after Acorn imploded in 1998, and a a couple of years of working with Linux that I thought "hmmm, you mean I can write shared libraries for my C code that aren't kernel modules?" and "what, you mean the computer can just switch away from my task even though I've not called Wimp_Poll? What if I'm not done?" and "What, you mean the OS will just kill my task if I address some memory I'm not supposed to? How does it not know I didn't intend to patch the OS from my desktop application?" etc. etc.

Also the Archimedes (at least) was pretty much the most expensive computer on the planet at the time - something like £3000 in 1988 money - it's amazing they sold so many to people just on the strength of Zarch :) ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALfnZjCiuUQ )

Re: Sophie Wilson, Acorn and the development of ARM

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I'll grant you excel.

*sheet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ViewSheet

Yes, sheet was pretty good. (As was word!), but Excel really had the edge there, even when it first came out.

It's the one product by MS that stood out as being best-in-class straight from day one.

Re: Sophie Wilson, Acorn and the development of ARM

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I think there's a lot of fondness for Acorn, at least here in the UK but I'd like to offer a slightly more accurate history. I was the owner of many Acorn machines including BBC B, Master, A410, RiscPC 600. The hardware, clearly designed or at least originated by Sophie Wilson was remarkable. It was robust, well designed and incredibly expandable. To this day there is not a single computer that actually made sense mo…

"Now I certainly enjoyed the platform but in retrospect, I'd have invested my money in something else back then if I knew what was going to happen." I take your point about Acorn as a business but I used a 'lab' full of RISC-OS 2 bases A310s at College with 20Mb Rodime hard drives. We did scanning, dtp, Genesis multimedia packages &c and various home grown projects. What else could we have bought at that time for sim…

I found it fairly easy to port stuff to the Atari ST. My local university used them in labs too.

Re: Sophie Wilson, Acorn and the development of ARM

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I think there's a lot of fondness for Acorn, at least here in the UK but I'd like to offer a slightly more accurate history. I was the owner of many Acorn machines including BBC B, Master, A410, RiscPC 600. The hardware, clearly designed or at least originated by Sophie Wilson was remarkable. It was robust, well designed and incredibly expandable. To this day there is not a single computer that actually made sense mo…

I was lucky enough to have an Archimedes when I was 14, and despite the Arthur OS, it was the best thing in the world for writing games: fastest desktop computer in the world, easy to use 256 colour sprite system and interpreted basic as a programming language. When the basic compiler came out a few years later it all got even faster. The desktop ui seemed pretty amazing to me compared to what else was around that I had seen. But it was an expensive machine, granted.

Re: Sophie Wilson, Acorn and the development of ARM

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I think there's a lot of fondness for Acorn, at least here in the UK but I'd like to offer a slightly more accurate history. I was the owner of many Acorn machines including BBC B, Master, A410, RiscPC 600. The hardware, clearly designed or at least originated by Sophie Wilson was remarkable. It was robust, well designed and incredibly expandable. To this day there is not a single computer that actually made sense mo…

This is true; it's like the Domesday Project laserdisc/BBC micro system. Or Minitel. Ahead of its time at launch, but a technological dead end that ends up as a sunk investment.

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*sheet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ViewSheet

Yes, sheet was pretty good. (As was word!), but Excel really had the edge there, even when it first came out. It's the one product by MS that stood out as being best-in-class straight from day one.

.. by being a careful GUI clone of the existing successful product, Lotus 1-2-3. Right down to being largely formula-compatible and having the same hotkeys. That's why F2 is "edit current cell".
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