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Re: Developing Web Applications with Haskell

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That is a good summary of the options for Haskell web development. The author of this slide deck also wrote "Beginning Haskell." I bought this book and like it. That said I have an addiction to buying Haskell books :-) Personally, I use Yesod for complicated apps, otherwise Spock.

That was definitely a good book, would recommend it as well.

Re: Developing Web Applications with Haskell

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post #6

Does it support a "React" style of building web applications?

Don't forget about reflex[0], you can try it here[1].

I also use purescript[2] with purescript-halogen[3] as does slamdata[4]. There's also a video on Purescript halogen[5] that's very interesting.

Purescript is great because the JavaScript it generates is so readable, that if you really need to you can understand the output and make micro-optimizations.

0: https://github.com/ryantrinkle/reflex

1: https://github.com/ryantrinkle/try-reflex

2: http://purescript.org/

3: https://github.com/slamdata/purescript-halogen

4: http://slamdata.com/

5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbDX-wRigAo

Re: Developing Web Applications with Haskell

#14

That is a good summary of the options for Haskell web development. The author of this slide deck also wrote "Beginning Haskell." I bought this book and like it. That said I have an addiction to buying Haskell books :-) Personally, I use Yesod for complicated apps, otherwise Spock.

That was definitely a good book, would recommend it as well.

I'll also chime in and say the same. I've been meaning to go back and complete the exercises I couldn't at first.

I almost got stuck not reading on because I couldn't figure out how to do some exercises but I'm glad I didn't because hindsight shows me that would have been a mistake.

Re: Developing Web Applications with Haskell

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That was definitely a good book, would recommend it as well.

I'll also chime in and say the same. I've been meaning to go back and complete the exercises I couldn't at first. I almost got stuck not reading on because I couldn't figure out how to do some exercises but I'm glad I didn't because hindsight shows me that would have been a mistake.

Based on your recommendations, just now, I went to go check out the book and found they're having a one-day half-price sale on it at Apress, the publishers:

http://www.apress.com/9781430262503?gtmf=s

Nice timing. Buying now. Thanks for the tip.

Re: Developing Web Applications with Haskell

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post #6

Does it support a "React" style of building web applications?

Don't forget about reflex[0], you can try it here[1]. I also use purescript[2] with purescript-halogen[3] as does slamdata[4]. There's also a video on Purescript halogen[5] that's very interesting. Purescript is great because the JavaScript it generates is so readable, that if you really need to you can understand the output and make micro-optimizations. 0: https://github.com/ryantrinkle/reflex 1: https://github.com/…

Thanks for the links! I'm really curious about what Haskell can come up with for a front-end story.

Do you think that Purescript's row typing (as seen in records and the Eff monad/effect system) is a viable replacement for monad transformer stacks? I "get" MT stacks but I find them heavyweight when what is most often desired is commutative set building of capabilities rather than MT-style stacking.

Re: Developing Web Applications with Haskell

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget about reflex[0], you can try it here[1]. I also use purescript[2] with purescript-halogen[3] as does slamdata[4]. There's also a video on Purescript halogen[5] that's very interesting. Purescript is great because the JavaScript it generates is so readable, that if you really need to you can understand the output and make micro-optimizations. 0: https://github.com/ryantrinkle/reflex 1: https://github.com/…

Thanks for the links! I'm really curious about what Haskell can come up with for a front-end story. Do you think that Purescript's row typing (as seen in records and the Eff monad/effect system) is a viable replacement for monad transformer stacks? I "get" MT stacks but I find them heavyweight when what is most often desired is commutative set building of capabilities rather than MT-style stacking.

Monad transformers and PureScript's row-based effects are two complementary approaches to the problem of extensible effects.

Some effects in PureScript look a lot like the effects provided by certain monad transformers (StateT/ST/Ref, ExceptT/Exception, etc.), but there are differences in terms of how things compose. Take StateT and ExceptT for example: you can compose them in two ways, and get two different monad transformer stacks, with different behaviors (surrounding how state propagates when an exception occurs). There are valid use cases for each, but with the ST and Exception effects, there is only one way to combine them: the way the underlying (Javascript) runtimes chooses for us.

There are things which each one can do which the other cannot. Fortunately, we can mix and match in PureScript since we have the purescript-transformers library. A typical arrangement is to stick Eff on the bottom of a monad transformer stack.

_Edit_: of course, everything you can do with a monad transformer can be done more verbosely with pure functions and the underlying monad, so you _could_ replace monad transformers with Eff in many cases, but in practical terms, it might not be all that useable in some cases.

Re: Developing Web Applications with Haskell

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget about reflex[0], you can try it here[1]. I also use purescript[2] with purescript-halogen[3] as does slamdata[4]. There's also a video on Purescript halogen[5] that's very interesting. Purescript is great because the JavaScript it generates is so readable, that if you really need to you can understand the output and make micro-optimizations. 0: https://github.com/ryantrinkle/reflex 1: https://github.com/…

Thanks for the links! I'm really curious about what Haskell can come up with for a front-end story. Do you think that Purescript's row typing (as seen in records and the Eff monad/effect system) is a viable replacement for monad transformer stacks? I "get" MT stacks but I find them heavyweight when what is most often desired is commutative set building of capabilities rather than MT-style stacking.

I think you'll find this interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nTnC0t7pzY

Re: Developing Web Applications with Haskell

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post #6

Does it support a "React" style of building web applications?

There are a number of Haskell-to-JS compilers and Haskell-alike languages which more directly target JS. This is growing quickly but major issues remain and the toolkits are quite immature.

On the other hand, much of React is a natural play out of Haskell's sweet spot. The challenge will be in making Js-alike APIs which handle the flexibility well while maintaining sufficient typing. React-like rendering, virtualdom, data flow... this will all be incredibly naturao.

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