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Re: Rails Shared Hosting

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Post by mattmaroon »

russ wrote: post #8
pc wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"As a Rails programmer, the more popular Rails is, the more worth are your Rails skills." I know some COBOL consultants who'd disagree.

"As a Rails programmer, the more popular Rails is, the more worth are your Rails skills." This is still subject to the laws of supply and demand. Your Rails skillz will be valuable at a time like now - where there are a healthy number of startups using the framework for development, and a sufficient shortage of experienced Rails devs to hire. However, if Rails became popular enough that everyone decided to learn it a…

That is most definitely the case now. The supply is greatly outstripped by the demand.

Re: Rails Shared Hosting

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Post by mechanical_fish »

iamelgringo wrote: post #7

Nice post, Matt. I think that you're absolutely right. It doesn't do well for the mind share of the framework if it requires a CS degree to deploy. But then, DHH has never really said that he was passionate about the users of his framework. For an example, see the image below. http://pocoo.org/~mitsuhiko/rails_motivation.jpg DHH has long said that he improves Rails based on what he and 37 Signals needs, and not what…

His attitude seems to be that it's his framework and he can do what he wants to.

No. His attitude is that it is your framework, so get to work!

People seem to think that Rails would run just fine on their $5.99 web hosts if the core team would deign to assert its magical force of will. Well, as my old boss used to say: "them" is "us". If you know how to make Rails run, profitably and reliably, on a cheap-ass shared host, go start the business and enjoy your profits. If you don't know, stop assuming that it's because DHH and Ezra Z. are holding out on you. They don't know, either.

Rails is all of four years old, and (unlike PHP) was not designed with the explicit goal of supporting shared hosting. I like Rails, and am glad you like it too, but stop expecting miracles.

Re: Rails Shared Hosting

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Post by mattmaroon »

mechanical_fish wrote: post #12
iamelgringo wrote: post #7

Nice post, Matt. I think that you're absolutely right. It doesn't do well for the mind share of the framework if it requires a CS degree to deploy. But then, DHH has never really said that he was passionate about the users of his framework. For an example, see the image below. http://pocoo.org/~mitsuhiko/rails_motivation.jpg DHH has long said that he improves Rails based on what he and 37 Signals needs, and not what…

His attitude seems to be that it's his framework and he can do what he wants to. No. His attitude is that it is your framework, so get to work! People seem to think that Rails would run just fine on their $5.99 web hosts if the core team would deign to assert its magical force of will. Well, as my old boss used to say: "them" is "us". If you know how to make Rails run, profitably and reliably, on a cheap-ass shared h…

I don't think anyone is expecting miracles, or for DHH to make it his personal goal to adapt Rails for the shared hosting environment. The original blog was simply pointing out that if Rails wants to see the kind of widespread adoption PHP has, that's what the community is going to have to do. It's correct.

People keep misinterpreting or misunderstanding the argument.

Re: Rails Shared Hosting

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Post by staunch »

mattmaroon wrote: post #10
staunch wrote: post #9

I think there's two separate issues raised by Dreamhost's post. 1. Should Rails have better shared hosting support? 2. Is it nice for a business that wants to make more money by having a new feature implemented to demand that an open source project make their desire a priority, without any offer of quid pro quo? I don't see much room for debate in either. 1. Of course 2. Of course not.

2. is of course as well. Rails stands to benefit from having hundreds of shared hosting services promoting their product. The original post wasn't "Rails should support Dreamhost" it was "Rails should support shared hosting."

Rails stands to benefit from all sorts of things, but who's going to put in the effort to make them happen? Open source is all about scratching your own itch. If shared hosting support is itchy for Dreamhost they should be scratching it, not blogging about how they have an itch and someone else should scratch it for them, for free, and now.

Re: Rails Shared Hosting

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Post by Tichy »

russ wrote: post #8
pc wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"As a Rails programmer, the more popular Rails is, the more worth are your Rails skills." I know some COBOL consultants who'd disagree.

"As a Rails programmer, the more popular Rails is, the more worth are your Rails skills." This is still subject to the laws of supply and demand. Your Rails skillz will be valuable at a time like now - where there are a healthy number of startups using the framework for development, and a sufficient shortage of experienced Rails devs to hire. However, if Rails became popular enough that everyone decided to learn it a…

It hasn't really happened to Java, though, even though it has been popular for a while.

So how much does a Rails developer earn at the moment? Anybody want to hire me, for twice the salary of a Java developer?

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