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What is Flask-Admin?

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Re: What is Flask-Admin?

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Post by andybak »

columbo wrote: post #8

Getting the admin-interface correct is one of those holy grails. The problem I typically run into is adding complex wizards or features outside of the standard crud stack. When I'm investigating an out of the box admin interface I'm _less concerned_ about how they handle CRUD; that's the easy part. Really I need to know how they handle things that go well beyond their stack. For example, in one application we need to…

To take your example - it's fairly simple to incorporate the standard Django form wizard into a custom admin page: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.4/ref/contrib/formtools/...

There is a large number of fairly clean well-documented extension points in the Django admin. You can override forms, templates, widgets, entire pages, querysets, search logic etc etc.

In the same way that the answer to questions about Django are often answered by "You're over-thinking it. It's just Python" - many questions about the Django admin can be answered by "You're over-thinking it. It's just Django"

Re: What is Flask-Admin?

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Post by joecarpenter »

jslakro wrote: post #12

Any comment on the comparison with Flask-AppBuilder https://github.com/dpgaspar/Flask-AppBuilder ? I've already made projects with the last one and I think is very nice. Are there any deep diferences, advantages or something I should take into account? e.g. github contributors ;)

Flask-AppBuilder is opinionated fork of the Flask-Admin. It follows similar conventions and uses some of the Flask-Admin code, but comes up with non-default skin and a little more batteries (like user management interface out of the box). If compared directly, existing Flask-Admin components are much more featureful that their counterparts in the Flask-AppBuilder.

Flask-AppBuilder API is not compatible with vanilla Flask-Admin APIs, so you won't be able to exchange components between them. And sure, you can build something similar to Flask-AppBuilder on top of Flask-Admin without changing its core. Or maybe someone already built it (like Flask app skeleton with built-in administrative interface).

I explained reasoning behind default Bootstrap skin and lack of built-in user management in the blog post.

I have nothing against forks, it is good to have multiple options to choose from.

Re: What is Flask-Admin?

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Post by mcbetz »

I especially like, that I can use Flask-Admin with Peewee ORM - https://peewee.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ - instead of SQLAlchemy, because I feel so much more comfortable with Peewee when doing small CRUD projects. SQLAlchemy is a lot more powerful, but the learning curve (at least for me) is steeper than with Peewee. Flask-Admin is a beautiful piece of software to get Flask backends set up quickly.

Re: What is Flask-Admin?

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Post by theVirginian »

andybak wrote: post #10

The great thing about the Django Admin is that - because it was actually part of the Django itself - there is a whole ecosystem of extensions, add-ons, skins etc for it. Any attempts to replace it for Django would have an uphill struggle for that reason alone. This is one side-effect of an opinionated framework - the provision of a default choice facilitates cooperation and prevents fragmentation. (We recently picked…

Possibly you also ran into the Q/A problem because there are many more people who use Django and common issues/gotchas that people encounter have mostly been explored and documented. I haven't used Pyramid but I would imagine the user base is somewhat smaller.

Re: What is Flask-Admin?

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Post by mixmastamyk »

> Yes, default Bootstrap skin looks boring and unprofessional,

Sigh... bootstrap didn't get where it is by looking unprofessional.

I also don't understand wanting every admin interface one comes across to be a special snowflake, the opposite of what should be the case. We've known for at least 30 years (Apple HIG) that a standardized look and feel is a benefit to users, not a detriment. Not to mention dev maintainability.

I suppose billable hours decrease when reinventing the wheel is no longer necessary.

Re: What is Flask-Admin?

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Post by joecarpenter »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #16

> Yes, default Bootstrap skin looks boring and unprofessional, Sigh... bootstrap didn't get where it is by looking unprofessional. I also don't understand wanting every admin interface one comes across to be a special snowflake, the opposite of what should be the case. We've known for at least 30 years (Apple HIG) that a standardized look and feel is a benefit to users, not a detriment. Not to mention dev maintainabi…

Uh, that's typical rhetoric about default Bootstrap interface. Like if someone used default bootstrap skin then he's just lazy and didn't really care. Thus unprofessional.

Personally, I think that Bootstrap interface is good enough, but its widespread adoption lead to the perception I mentioned above.

Re: What is Flask-Admin?

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Post by mixmastamyk »

joecarpenter wrote: post #17
mixmastamyk wrote: post #16

> Yes, default Bootstrap skin looks boring and unprofessional, Sigh... bootstrap didn't get where it is by looking unprofessional. I also don't understand wanting every admin interface one comes across to be a special snowflake, the opposite of what should be the case. We've known for at least 30 years (Apple HIG) that a standardized look and feel is a benefit to users, not a detriment. Not to mention dev maintainabi…

Uh, that's typical rhetoric about default Bootstrap interface. Like if someone used default bootstrap skin then he's just lazy and didn't really care. Thus unprofessional. Personally, I think that Bootstrap interface is good enough, but its widespread adoption lead to the perception I mentioned above.

I understand, and that's why I'm a bit annoyed, it's a very developer-centric attitude propagated by the sentence above.

Personally, an end-user has never asked me to make their software/web-admin look unique. A portfolio site? Sure, but an admin page? Not other than their official color/logo in the header.

Uniqueness is just not a concern with "normal" people, and with good reason as I mentioned above. Still, congrats on the nice work on the site/post.

Re: What is Flask-Admin?

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Post by jbkkd »

joecarpenter wrote: post #17
mixmastamyk wrote: post #16

> Yes, default Bootstrap skin looks boring and unprofessional, Sigh... bootstrap didn't get where it is by looking unprofessional. I also don't understand wanting every admin interface one comes across to be a special snowflake, the opposite of what should be the case. We've known for at least 30 years (Apple HIG) that a standardized look and feel is a benefit to users, not a detriment. Not to mention dev maintainabi…

Uh, that's typical rhetoric about default Bootstrap interface. Like if someone used default bootstrap skin then he's just lazy and didn't really care. Thus unprofessional. Personally, I think that Bootstrap interface is good enough, but its widespread adoption lead to the perception I mentioned above.

The fact that Bootstrap is widespread, and therefore perceived by some unprofessional, does not make a user using it unprofessional, nor does it make the framework unprofessional.

Are Django or Flask unprofessional since they are widespread?

Re: What is Flask-Admin?

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Post by nnain »

fask-admin (or any decent CRUD interface) is one of my favourite parts of developing a new application backend. The amount of functionality you can achieve without touching HTML/JS is amazing.

Goes a long way in keeping the application modular and maintainable.

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