Does anyone know how this actually works? Will there be an API for any app to build something like this (an overlay that scans content)
What Google Just Announced Is a Bombshell
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Re: What Google Just Announced Is a Bombshell
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the demos, you're holding down the home button on your phone. I'm guessing Now on Tap doesn't scan content, until you activate it.
Surely it would be to Google's advantage to scan as much as they can in the background for targeting ads, even if they actual search is activated on demand.
...but that doesn't mean that's what they do.
Re: What Google Just Announced Is a Bombshell
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surely it would be to Google's advantage to scan as much as they can in the background for targeting ads, even if they actual search is activated on demand.
...but that doesn't mean that's what they do.
So because Google is currently not taking the tiny step that would allow them to collect even more data (even though their business model is all about spying on people for all the data they can get), this somehow say anything about what their actions will be in the future? Just like how Google still has the "Don't be evil" slogan?
They promise[1] not to abuse the software that just happens to require hooking into the OS in such a way that they could spy on everything. Google's pattern has been to introduce products that people find useful, then log everything they can get access too once they have a large enough market share (usually taking advantage of the general ignorance about what can be done with the modern networked computer).
To suggest that somehow this time Google will act differently is to ignore the last decade of history and their publicly stated business plan.
[1] ...actually, I haven't seen such a promise, just people assuming so. Maybe I missed something.
Re: What Google Just Announced Is a Bombshell
#14In addition to giving Google even more access to data, I wonder what the antitrust implications could be.
Will 3rd parties also be able to user the same hooks that given them access to every other app's text? Wouldn't that turn into a nasty free-for-all where every app tries to steal as much data as possible, now that they can bypass the few restrictions Android imposes?
If access is limited to Google - that is, that this is some "OS feature" instead an app that uses features available to any developer, isn't this effectively the same issue as United States v. Microsoft Corp.?
Re: What Google Just Announced Is a Bombshell
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
...but that doesn't mean that's what they do.
So because Google is currently not taking the tiny step that would allow them to collect even more data (even though their business model is all about spying on people for all the data they can get), this somehow say anything about what their actions will be in the future ? Just like how Google still has the "Don't be evil" slogan? They promise[1] not to abuse the software that just happens to require hooking into th…
What would it take to convince me? Proof (which shouldn't be too hard) that they're scraping apps without Now on Tap being invoked.
What would it take to convince you? Nothing. There is literally nothing anyone could say to convince you.
Which one of us has a position based on reason?
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And as to the "spying" thing...
If you find Google's tools useful, then use them. If you don't, then don't.
I get an email about my flight, and my hotel. Google Now pops up to let me know it's time to leave for the airport, and reminds me where I parked my car. When I get close to the airport, it lets me know my flight is delayed, so I take it easy. It tells me what gate my flight is leaving.
If you say it's "spying" on me to provide me that service...? You and I just flat-out disagree about what "spying" is.
If I had a secretary as useful as Google, I'd give that secretary praise and raises. Why, when it's a company providing software instead, do you automatically attribute malice to it?
Re: What Google Just Announced Is a Bombshell
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
So because Google is currently not taking the tiny step that would allow them to collect even more data (even though their business model is all about spying on people for all the data they can get), this somehow say anything about what their actions will be in the future ? Just like how Google still has the "Don't be evil" slogan? They promise[1] not to abuse the software that just happens to require hooking into th…
What would it take to convince me? Proof (which shouldn't be too hard) that they're scraping apps without Now on Tap being invoked. What would it take to convince you? Nothing. There is literally nothing anyone could say to convince you. Which one of us has a position based on reason? === And as to the "spying" thing... If you find Google's tools useful, then use them. If you don't, then don't. I get an email about m…
> What would it take to convince me?
Source code in all cases would be a good start. Earning a good reputation over time would be the real way. The fact that it is harder for Google to regain reputation is their problem, not mine.
> Proof
Gmail. google-analytics. Chromebook, Android and everything else Google has that specifically designed to send all your data to google under the guise of "cloud storage" and "single sign-on". I doubt you have somenow missed the last few years of drama over how much data Google collects.
> scraping apps
If you mean emulating the Tap behavior, that was clearly somethging I claimed they would eventually do. You seem to think this behavior will continue into the future, contrary to everything else Google does.
> There is literally nothing anyone could say to convince you.
Projection and/or lies. See above.
> Which one of us has a position based on reason?
Using someone's record as a heuristic about their future behavior isn't based on reason? Do you also get angry with people who stop going to a particular store after being ripped off or sold a lemon?
Re: What Google Just Announced Is a Bombshell
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would it take to convince me? Proof (which shouldn't be too hard) that they're scraping apps without Now on Tap being invoked. What would it take to convince you? Nothing. There is literally nothing anyone could say to convince you. Which one of us has a position based on reason? === And as to the "spying" thing... If you find Google's tools useful, then use them. If you don't, then don't. I get an email about m…
> What would it take to convince me? Source code in all cases would be a good start. Earning a good reputation over time would be the real way. The fact that it is harder for Google to regain reputation is their problem, not mine. > Proof Gmail. google-analytics. Chromebook, Android and everything else Google has that specifically designed to send all your data to google under the guise of "cloud storage" and "single…
> Source code in all cases would be a good start.
Not all corporations provide all source code to everything. If you don't trust any of them, that's one thing. If you specifically select Google for your ire, I say that's irrational.
> Earning a good reputation over time would be the real way.
I think they're the most valuable corporation I've ever interacted with. I also trust their employees' competence and desire to protect my privacy more than any other company.
> The fact that it is harder for Google to regain reputation is their problem, not mine.
We're not talking about their reputation. We're talking about your opinion of them, and whether it has a rational basis.
> Gmail. google-analytics. Chromebook, Android...
I understand the data Google collects, how it protects my data, and how it does business... I approve. You want to talk about disapproval? Target. Anthem BCBS. Sony.
> Projection and/or lies. See above.
The only example you've given is to release all of their source code. That's not a reasonable expectation.
> Using someone's record as a heuristic about their future behavior isn't based on reason? Do you also get angry with people who stop going to a particular store after being ripped off or sold a lemon?
If you're citing GMail, Google Analytics, Chromebook, and Android as examples of BAD behavior on Google's part, then yes, I think you're reading their past behavior entirely wrong.
I said it before, and I'll say it again - you don't like the value proposition of their products. That's fine. You seem to think others are crazy for making the informed and conscious choice to use them.
Would I be crazy to hire a personal secretary who can read all of my mail and emails, and make suggestions to me about which products I might enjoy?
Re: What Google Just Announced Is a Bombshell
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What would it take to convince me? Source code in all cases would be a good start. Earning a good reputation over time would be the real way. The fact that it is harder for Google to regain reputation is their problem, not mine. > Proof Gmail. google-analytics. Chromebook, Android and everything else Google has that specifically designed to send all your data to google under the guise of "cloud storage" and "single…
> Source code in all cases would be a good start. Not all corporations provide all source code to everything. If you don't trust any of them, that's one thing. If you specifically select Google for your ire, I say that's irrational. > Earning a good reputation over time would be the real way. I think they're the most valuable corporation I've ever interacted with. I also trust their employees' competence and desire t…
> You seem to think others are crazy for making the informed and conscious choice to use them.
While I question how "informed" those choices are, that wasn't my argument. I'm suggesting you're crazy for disregarding the pattern in Google's past behavior, that says that just like all their other products, they will eventually use it as a tool for mass collection of personal data ("spying"). To argue that this is not their intention is to ignore the years of public statements Google has made about how they operate.
If you want to use Google products anyway, that's your choice. Your opinion that they make useful products and services (they do) is entirely off topic. I was replying to the "...but that doesn't mean that's what they do.", which is about Google's behavior regarding spying on and recording personal information. Their past behavior says "that's what they do", even if the first version doesn't implement that part yet.
This is entirely about the reputation that Google - and only Google - has earned for themselves. BCBS and Target get to earn their on reputations, which is also off topic.
Anyway, I have better things to do than argue with trolls and/or fawning fans of spyware.
Re: What Google Just Announced Is a Bombshell
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Source code in all cases would be a good start. Not all corporations provide all source code to everything. If you don't trust any of them, that's one thing. If you specifically select Google for your ire, I say that's irrational. > Earning a good reputation over time would be the real way. I think they're the most valuable corporation I've ever interacted with. I also trust their employees' competence and desire t…
> You seem to think others are crazy for making the informed and conscious choice to use them. While I question how "informed" those choices are, that wasn't my argument. I'm suggesting you're crazy for disregarding the pattern in Google's past behavior , that says that just like all their other products, they will eventually use it as a tool for mass collection of personal data ("spying"). To argue that this is not…
> disregarding the pattern
To agree that it's a pattern, I'd have to agree that any single instance that you've listed is in fact "spying." Since I don't agree that any single instance is "spying," it is inaccurate to state that I'm "disregarding a pattern."
Would a personal secretary, paid to be going through my mail and email for me, sorting it, prioritizing it, making suggestions, be a "spy"? OF COURSE NOT.
Imagine I showed my secretary a text from my wife, reading, "Can we eat at Fogo de Chao, and then go see Mad Max?" I ask my secretary where the closest Fogo is, to help me book a reservation, and then to find showtimes and ratings for the movie. You'd call that "spying"?
> Anyway, I have better things to do than argue with trolls and/or fawning fans of spyware.
Someone who disagrees with you is automatically a troll or "fawning." They can't possibly have a reasonable position that disagrees with yours. Got it.
Re: What Google Just Announced Is a Bombshell
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You seem to think others are crazy for making the informed and conscious choice to use them. While I question how "informed" those choices are, that wasn't my argument. I'm suggesting you're crazy for disregarding the pattern in Google's past behavior , that says that just like all their other products, they will eventually use it as a tool for mass collection of personal data ("spying"). To argue that this is not…
> disregarding the pattern To agree that it's a pattern, I'd have to agree that any single instance that you've listed is in fact "spying." Since I don't agree that any single instance is "spying," it is inaccurate to state that I'm "disregarding a pattern." Would a personal secretary, paid to be going through my mail and email for me, sorting it, prioritizing it, making suggestions, be a "spy"? OF COURSE NOT. Imagin…
What if your secretary then goes and sells the interesting pieces of information to your competitors? What if your secretary shares your mail and emails with the government without your knowing? What if your secretary receives rewards from companies and other individuals to make subtle suggestions to you? What if your secretary has compiled a secret dossier about all your habits and little quirks and is ready to sell it to the highest bidder?
How does this sound?