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Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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Post by rimantas »

higherpurpose wrote: post #8
ajkjk wrote: post #4

I hate Facebook, but I don't plan to stop using it anytime soon. Well - I don't hate everything about it, but I hate everything they're trying to do, so I agree with this article. But "hate"ing a company is odd, so I guess I really mean "I want to have nothing to do with". I'll switch when there's a dominating replacement. All I want, for the rest of my life, is: - a way to see updates from friends and acquaintances…

In other words - the Internet. You don't need to do all those things in a single place, or even in multiple places, but all owned by the same company. The fact that people want to use Instagram, Vine, Snapchat and Whatsapp is proof many people don't want a single service for everything. It's just unfortunate that Facebook happens to have acquired many of those.

  > In other words - the Internet.
Can you explain a bit more, because it sounds really strange.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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Post by mkohlmyr »

frik wrote: post #2

What will be the next big thing in social networks? What are your thoughts? Local neighbors network? No-interface social networks? Peer-to-peer? Anonymous social networks? Video based (YouTube/Twitch)? Messanger-only? No central news-feed?

I would love to see distributed peer to peer become the next big thing. Just the social graph would be a start since it would probably be more difficult to find a decentralized way of of holding on to content and posts(?). Anything where you want a degree of privacy you probably need the service to be either paid or distributed or the monetary incentives will be skewed against the users interests.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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Post by lmedinas »

frik wrote: post #2

What will be the next big thing in social networks? What are your thoughts? Local neighbors network? No-interface social networks? Peer-to-peer? Anonymous social networks? Video based (YouTube/Twitch)? Messanger-only? No central news-feed?

Unfortunately, in my opinion, Facebook is here to stay.

Reasons: - Local/OSS/decentralized social networks will not work for the common population because their friends and updates will not be there.

- Video based is already a success, see Twitch, but people sometimes prefer text and likes.

- Messenger only is also a success, see Whatsapp/FB messenger, but some people have the need to expose themselves to people outside their groups.

- Pinterest, Instagram and Google+ have their own public which mostly likely are also in FB. They use it for difference purposes.

- Twitter, well this one it's difficult. First of all most of the communication is public and some users are not interested in that. Also there's a lot of self promotion messages which does not mean it will engage users to communicate. Finally Twitter tries to reinvent itself and the features are not consistent. i.e. For several weeks they enabled translations and after it was disabled. Twitter might have a chance to engage more people with Tvshows, movies, music and personalities.

Facebook after all is the social network which is easier to get started, makes a balance between public and private/groups, lot's of features available (games, messenger, groups etc...) and families and friends in the same feed. I guess it's pretty hard to beat that currently for other social networks.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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Post by jug »

higherpurpose wrote: post #8
ajkjk wrote: post #4

I hate Facebook, but I don't plan to stop using it anytime soon. Well - I don't hate everything about it, but I hate everything they're trying to do, so I agree with this article. But "hate"ing a company is odd, so I guess I really mean "I want to have nothing to do with". I'll switch when there's a dominating replacement. All I want, for the rest of my life, is: - a way to see updates from friends and acquaintances…

In other words - the Internet. You don't need to do all those things in a single place, or even in multiple places, but all owned by the same company. The fact that people want to use Instagram, Vine, Snapchat and Whatsapp is proof many people don't want a single service for everything. It's just unfortunate that Facebook happens to have acquired many of those.

Yes, Facebook is realizing this and that's why they're doing these rounds of purchases rather than trying to build something own and extend Facebook.com. Ironically enough, I don't think they always prefer to strengthen their own brand because they understand the psychology behind end user decisions.

Thinking of it, it's interesting how long ago Facebook last changed functionality-wise.

I don't like them that much, but I do think Facebook does a decent job of predicting trends. That's also why I think we'll have Facebook around for a long time. In a few years, people may not even think of that they're using Facebook services since they've further specialized and added various apps, all under the Facebook umbrella but only on the back end.

I think Facebook is even on their way of breaking out the friend contacts part from their main site, with Messenger.com now an own website, and other Messenger platform changes like games.

I think that where Facebook wants to go is to no longer require any user to actually use Facebook to stay in touch (we now have Messenger, Groups, Snapchat, Instagram), so that Facebook only becomes a place that pulls them all together (except for sensitive users like youth who don't want Snapchat to get involved with parents). For those who fancy that.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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Post by rascul »

frik wrote: post #2

What will be the next big thing in social networks? What are your thoughts? Local neighbors network? No-interface social networks? Peer-to-peer? Anonymous social networks? Video based (YouTube/Twitch)? Messanger-only? No central news-feed?

http://indiewebcamp.com

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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Post by castell »

rimantas wrote: post #11
higherpurpose wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words - the Internet. You don't need to do all those things in a single place, or even in multiple places, but all owned by the same company. The fact that people want to use Instagram, Vine, Snapchat and Whatsapp is proof many people don't want a single service for everything. It's just unfortunate that Facebook happens to have acquired many of those.

> In other words - the Internet. Can you explain a bit more, because it sounds really strange.

In the mid nineties many early web users had their own web space with a "fancy" (back then) static website in Frontpage/Dreamweaver, it was more or less hassle free. Back then the ISPs usually provided free webspace and free email accounts. If everyone has access to a hassle free webspace with social/cloud software (blog, image sharing, file directory), then there would be less need for a central service. Obviously, things have changed. Maybe the OP is talking about that.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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Post by Heliosmaster »

jsingleton wrote: post #10
ajkjk wrote: post #4

I hate Facebook, but I don't plan to stop using it anytime soon. Well - I don't hate everything about it, but I hate everything they're trying to do, so I agree with this article. But "hate"ing a company is odd, so I guess I really mean "I want to have nothing to do with". I'll switch when there's a dominating replacement. All I want, for the rest of my life, is: - a way to see updates from friends and acquaintances…

Maybe https://diasporafoundation.org is what you are looking for?

In principle yes. But unless enough of the people that he wants to connect with (past/present) are in it, then most of the points are unfeasible.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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Post by tracker1 »

ajkjk wrote: post #4

I hate Facebook, but I don't plan to stop using it anytime soon. Well - I don't hate everything about it, but I hate everything they're trying to do, so I agree with this article. But "hate"ing a company is odd, so I guess I really mean "I want to have nothing to do with". I'll switch when there's a dominating replacement. All I want, for the rest of my life, is: - a way to see updates from friends and acquaintances…

For me the dichotomy becomes which groups really see what... you have:

    - family & close friends
    - acquaintances & loose friends
      - school alum
      - social groups / clubs
    - those who you might work with/for
      - linked in, you failed this audience
    - interests beyond clubs, outside acquantances
No social network does a good job at allowing a person to share with those groups as desired. What I share on twitter is far more techie than what my friends/family on FB care about (mental note, disconnect twitter from fb). What I follow on twitter doesn't line up with what I post (I also see way to much to actually track twitter or fb, I pop in every few days, and only see the top of the feed). most of the people on FB are more acquaintances or past friends from social groups, and some family.

The reality is that what will probably "win" will be a few discrete social networks... one for your career (probably not linkedin), a new one for your family and close friends, facebook for your loose friends and acquantences... and something closer to bulletin boards and/or webchat for social interest groups (probably not meetup).

I don't think the one site to rule them all will survive in the long run. And those groups trying to do so with facebook, twitter and pinterest are failing... those trying to build business models that aren't bought are failing.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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Post by mrweasel »

frik wrote: post #2

What will be the next big thing in social networks? What are your thoughts? Local neighbors network? No-interface social networks? Peer-to-peer? Anonymous social networks? Video based (YouTube/Twitch)? Messanger-only? No central news-feed?

I'm a bit anti-social in some ways, so I don't actually think that social networks have much of a future.

My observations are that people don't care about being social, they want a place where they can post their frustrations, Facebook is a good platform for that.

Twitter, Instgram, Snapchat and others all have their user base, but it's way smaller and less relevant than the people using the services believe. If you and your circle of friends are only on e.g. Snapchat, that's platform will seem much more valuable and relevant that it really is. Same with Twitter, the tech world sees Twitter as way more relevant and valuable than it really is, because that the platform that many of us use (I don't, Twitter is in my just a way of following celebrities in the TV/Movie/politic or tech- world).

Some for of group chat might be handy, but there's room for a ton of these services. Although users will tend to cluster. Videos and voice is unimportant, text and pictures are not.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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Post by Heliosmaster »

lmedinas wrote: post #13
frik wrote: post #2

What will be the next big thing in social networks? What are your thoughts? Local neighbors network? No-interface social networks? Peer-to-peer? Anonymous social networks? Video based (YouTube/Twitch)? Messanger-only? No central news-feed?

Unfortunately, in my opinion, Facebook is here to stay. Reasons: - Local/OSS/decentralized social networks will not work for the common population because their friends and updates will not be there. - Video based is already a success, see Twitch, but people sometimes prefer text and likes. - Messenger only is also a success, see Whatsapp/FB messenger, but some people have the need to expose themselves to people outs…

I agree with you that probably FB will stay longer than everyone thinks. At least the messaging part. What I think it's the biggest factor that will give it inertia, it's the userbase.

It has slowly become the centralized place for connecting with people, especially when not considering the minority of very tech-savy people.

I am at a party and I met somebody I want to hang out with? He/she's probably on facebook then we'll communicate on that. Wanna look up for my old class-mates? Let's search for them on facebook.

The timeline will be empty/boring/spam, but the messaging app will be full.

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