And then you remember where Facebook's initial funding sources came from....
Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger
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Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or maybe not lie?
Small lies like that are a huge part of everyday communications. No one should feel overly guilty about them and we need to be able to make them. They can be a kind of courtesy.
On that note, I recommend Mark Twain's On The Decay Of The Art Of Lying: http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2572/pg2572.html
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being in an abusive relationship is bad for people.
Is my relationship with Facebook an abusive relationship? Only tongue-in-cheek.
Yes, it is. Maybe not physically abusive, but definitely emotionally and trust-ly abusive.
You think you are in a relationship with facebook, but facebook is secretly also in a relationship with all kinds of three letter agencies, state actors and advertisers - and tells them everything you told facebook.
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#14I'm not sure what value add this serves as an opt-out solution rather than opt-in. For people who have a strong desire to show their location, sure. But what possible reason could Facebook have to make this readily accessible to anyone you chat with on an opt-out only basis?
"where are you?" "when will you show up?" "you back home yet?" A lot of these things are questions I routinely get/ask in things like messenger. People with location on usually help us to coordinate things and the like.
But that doesn't really answer the question of why sending your location to everyone BY DEFAULT is a good idea.
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#15And then you remember where Facebook's initial funding sources came from....
Which funding do you mean? They seem to be quite normal, open companies and people with interest in these kind of startups. For people interested in this [1].
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Facebook#Initial_fun...
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#16Feature request: auto-click-on every conversation you've had in messenger when you navigate to /messages so you don't need to do it manually. Considering it doesn't persist past a reload...
Re: Stalking Your Friends with Facebook Messenger
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
"where are you?" "when will you show up?" "you back home yet?" A lot of these things are questions I routinely get/ask in things like messenger. People with location on usually help us to coordinate things and the like.
But that doesn't really answer the question of why sending your location to everyone BY DEFAULT is a good idea.
Yeah, I guess so. Beyond the malicious reasons, there could just be the thought that the utility outweighs the privacy costs for the user experience. Especially considering your FB friends are supposedly people you know in real life and trust (at least more than people you might have on other IM services).
I can understand the divisiveness, but I can also imagine people working on messenger (who probably use it a lot more than you or I) being on this, and genuinely believing it leads to a better user experience for most people (see read receipts).
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or maybe not lie?
Small lies like that are a huge part of everyday communications. No one should feel overly guilty about them and we need to be able to make them. They can be a kind of courtesy.
While I do agree with being able to make small lies, but why would you tell someone whose waiting for you that you are 5 minutes away if you are clearly not. Maybe it's just me, but when someone says 5 minutes, I don't expect 10, 15, or 30. I expect 5 minutes. This is especially true in Asian cultures.
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#19I'm not sure what value add this serves as an opt-out solution rather than opt-in. For people who have a strong desire to show their location, sure. But what possible reason could Facebook have to make this readily accessible to anyone you chat with on an opt-out only basis?
I'm guessing it's advertising / marketing related. Maybe they aren't doing anything yet with the data, but I'm sure the terms and conditions allow them to do whatever they want with it in the future. Being able to stalk your friends is how they make people willing to give them the data.
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But that doesn't really answer the question of why sending your location to everyone BY DEFAULT is a good idea.
Yeah, I guess so. Beyond the malicious reasons, there could just be the thought that the utility outweighs the privacy costs for the user experience. Especially considering your FB friends are supposedly people you know in real life and trust (at least more than people you might have on other IM services). I can understand the divisiveness, but I can also imagine people working on messenger (who probably use it a lot…
your FB friends are supposedly people you know in real life and trust
If the FB developers think that's generally true, I'd say they are pretty incompetent. Even my parents, with just a couple dozen friends, have FB friends they have never met, let alone my teenage brother and his friends, who have hundreds of FB friends each.
This is usually not a problem, since they don't post sensitive information on their timeline, only in the chat to specific people.