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Re: Ask HN: Do you feel like you're missing out?

#11
I've been there. It took me a while to figure out that the media manufactures stories to get eyeballs. Do some digging and you'll find a different story. Once you know the translation key, it is much less envious.

- Overnight success => Decade of work

- Owner is worth an estimated $100 million => Owner is saving for a couch (Kevin Rose said this after his cover story in a magazine)

- Innovative idea => Ripped off a competitor and had better marketing

- Hard work and sacrifice => Lied/cheated/stole to get where they are

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel like you're missing out?

#12
I'm socially isolated so I miss a bit of that interaction with other people stuff.

But, other than that, no, I don't feel like I'm missing out. I made some decidedly sub-optimal choices when I was younger and they continue to have an impact.

I tend to focus a lot on making my child's life better - more fun, more safe (without over-coddling protection), more exciting, more supported, etc etc.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel like you're missing out?

#13
I felt that way during the first tech bubble. I was 17 in 2000, and it seemed like Exciting Things were happening far away, and here I was as a senior in high school in the middle of Pennsylvania.

Now that I'm older, I don't feel that way, because I know how the sausage is made and what the territory looks like. The people becoming "instantly rich and famous" are either (a) rich kids whose parents are laundering the family connections and wealth through VC or acqui-hire, or (b) deserving hard-working people whose "overnight" success took 10 years (we're just noticing them now, so it seems "instant", but there was a decade or more of hard work and sacrifice behind it) or (c) statistical outliers who can be likened to lottery winners.

I've looked into the soul of Silicon Valley and there is no there there. Don't get me wrong: there are individual companies and people doing great work and advancing the state of humanity, but the intersection between Real Technology and the celebrity personalities that dominate Silicon Valley is almost the empty set.

Most of the easy money is going to investors, upper management, and talentless celebrity hacks. People doing real work have a shot at some of the hard money, but it's not guaranteed that there will be any reward. (That's why it's called "hard money".)

As for "a big party going", well... there are a few things to keep in mind. From the ground, you might see "a cloud" as a concrete thing, but inside that cloud is just fog, and from the point of view of a water droplet there is just a semi-formless mist of other droplets. Things look different from outside than inside. Most people "in the party" are miserable about not being part of a more exclusive inner party. There's a certain fractal self-similarity to material striving that keeps at a constant level of misery (if they're inclined that way) no matter how far they rise.

Most likely, you were never invited to "the party" and you'll never get in, because it will have dissipated by the time you'd be eligible. The $5M/person acqui-hires (which, by the way, deliver 3 orders of magnitude less than that figure to the rank-and-file engineers actually building the shit) are favors to the well-connected parents of the founders, and the people making new discoveries in physics (or, in truth, doing just about anything that actually matters) are just as far away from the party crowd as you are.

If you're trying to get into the "startup scene" in 2015, my advice is, don't. Climbing the ladder this late is pointless because if you're not already most of the way up it, it'll dissipate before you've ascended. Focus on gaining lasting knowledge. Take the hard CS courses that pre-startup kids avoid because the workload interferes with "investor networking" events (that won't be fruitful, if you're doing real work, anyway). I'm not saying that you should dismiss CS or technology or programming or hard work (on the contrary, I'd say the opposite) but I think that you have no chance of getting into this bubble world (and who knows when the next one will rise? I can't predict that) if you're coming into it this late.

What you're seeing is like Vegas at night. From 20 miles out, it's a glamorous and almost magical city in the desert, brilliant and alluring at all hours. Then you get there and it's seedy and pushy and unpleasant. Then morning comes, the whole world goes to sleep, and now you're alone in this hot, sun-ravaged ghost town.

What you envy is not real. At least, not for people like you and me. Making things is real, but you don't need to be in "the scene" to do that.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel like you're missing out?

#14
post #11

I've been there. It took me a while to figure out that the media manufactures stories to get eyeballs. Do some digging and you'll find a different story. Once you know the translation key, it is much less envious. - Overnight success => Decade of work - Owner is worth an estimated $100 million => Owner is saving for a couch (Kevin Rose said this after his cover story in a magazine) - Innovative idea => Ripped off a c…

> Hard work and sacrifice => Lied/cheated/stole to get where they are

I wouldn't be so cynic. I think real life is simply not good news material.

"Tonight, the groundbreaking story of the developer who worked for 3 years on banking software, 4 years on insurance databases and a staggering 2 years on android apps! He's now ready to start his own company... or is he? Sitting on a chair and typing code has never been so exciting!"

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel like you're missing out?

#15
post #11

I've been there. It took me a while to figure out that the media manufactures stories to get eyeballs. Do some digging and you'll find a different story. Once you know the translation key, it is much less envious. - Overnight success => Decade of work - Owner is worth an estimated $100 million => Owner is saving for a couch (Kevin Rose said this after his cover story in a magazine) - Innovative idea => Ripped off a c…

Here's the Kevin Rose cover [0]. I remember him downplaying it but I thought he was being modest at the time.

[0] http://i.imgur.com/KFveyzl.jpg

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel like you're missing out?

#16
A couple of days ago my seven year old asked how internet videos are made. This morning, to answer him, we made a 57-frame stop-motion movie of two Lego minifigures building a wall, only to have it blown up by a Bob-omb three times taller then them. No, I'm not missing out.

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Oh, you mean all that sturm und drang about entrepeneurship? Meh. This is a wonderful time to be alive. Make sure you enjoy it. Doesn't have to be family, there's a lot of other options. There's more ways to succeed in life than selling a unicorn.

(After years of reading this site... I have more or less a 9-to-5 job at a matured now-public startup, and few regrets. Oh, there's a few things I might have done differently, but if HN has taught me anything, it's that I'm not an entrepeneur. That's fine. So's what you're doing. It's OK.)

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel like you're missing out?

#17
Well, personally I don't consider "Twitter debates", "viral content" or what I think is implied with "insta-fame" to be all that amazing or noteworthy at all. Those are all ephemera by definition that may or may not end up obscure historical footnotes one day.

Other things you described amount to the business cycle. There's a lot of interesting to stuff to be learned studying economics and finance, but the particular results and spotlights of a given boom-bust aren't necessarily all that notable. Do you recall the aftermath of the depression from 1920-1921 in the United States? Likely not, and it barely registers in the public consciousness regardless.

Finally, only one actually amazing thing - new discoveries in physics. Too bad you don't see all the behind-the-scenes academic debate, infighting, spurious results, grunt work that underpins the eventual eureka moment. And don't forget just how many "eureka moments" aren't really that at all, but inflated expectations from poor scientific reporting. How many people do you think realize that "statistical significance" is pretty mundane in comparison to our everyday understanding of "significance"?

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel like you're missing out?

#18
No. Not really. Not even slightly.

I really don't enjoy the thought of being famous, and especially not the ephemeral famous-on-the-internet variety. I especially hate the end results of how twitter gets used, and turn a blind eye to nearly everything that happens on that website. It's something of an abomination watching silly people cram their already dumbed-down thoughts into something even dumber than its natural incarnation.

Web 2.0 is really more of a 2004 idea (as with viral content which is even older) but I understand what you're driving at. Especially since some of the technology involved isn't all that new either, which points to the fact that the purchases are more often a form of conflict resolution between competing companies, than genuine success. Large companies purchasing smaller companies before they can become threatening.

There might be much physics-related publicity, but not too many drastic shifts in our understanding of the world that surrounds us. We still don't have any moon bases or martian colonies, and so maybe certain special bosons are the the seat of mass, enslaving us all to gravity, but until that discovery actually pays off, big deal.

Stocks are imaginary financial instruments, and publicly traded stocks are even more imaginary. Some people have a lot of imagination, I suppose. From what my friends tell me, owning a home is worse than owning a car. When your car breaks down, you have to walk home. But when your home breaks down, you're either cold, or wet, or both, and there's no place to sleep. At least, when you rent, there's someone else to blame.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel like you're missing out?

#19
post #11

I've been there. It took me a while to figure out that the media manufactures stories to get eyeballs. Do some digging and you'll find a different story. Once you know the translation key, it is much less envious. - Overnight success => Decade of work - Owner is worth an estimated $100 million => Owner is saving for a couch (Kevin Rose said this after his cover story in a magazine) - Innovative idea => Ripped off a c…

> Hard work and sacrifice => Lied/cheated/stole to get where they are I wouldn't be so cynic. I think real life is simply not good news material. "Tonight, the groundbreaking story of the developer who worked for 3 years on banking software, 4 years on insurance databases and a staggering 2 years on android apps! He's now ready to start his own company... or is he? Sitting on a chair and typing code has never been so…

Certainly some people do succeed through hard work alone, but corruption absolutely plays a large part at the top end of the spectrum. Youtube was mostly pirated content before they were bought, Zuckerburg stole the idea for FB and cheated his partner, Uber guys have done every dirty trick in the book...

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel like you're missing out?

#20
post #11

I've been there. It took me a while to figure out that the media manufactures stories to get eyeballs. Do some digging and you'll find a different story. Once you know the translation key, it is much less envious. - Overnight success => Decade of work - Owner is worth an estimated $100 million => Owner is saving for a couch (Kevin Rose said this after his cover story in a magazine) - Innovative idea => Ripped off a c…

> Hard work and sacrifice => Lied/cheated/stole to get where they are I wouldn't be so cynic. I think real life is simply not good news material. "Tonight, the groundbreaking story of the developer who worked for 3 years on banking software, 4 years on insurance databases and a staggering 2 years on android apps! He's now ready to start his own company... or is he? Sitting on a chair and typing code has never been so…

I would listen to that news... I kind-of like it...
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