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Why is the education of a sushi chef so insanely long?

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Re: Why is the education of a sushi chef so insanely long?

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Well, you could accept at face-value the self-congratulating laudatory first answer... or you could look at how apprenticeships traditionally work, the low wages, concepts like hidden equity, and the sale of restaurants to successors.

"And Jacob served seven years for Rachel", a very old and instructive tale ...

Re: Why is the education of a sushi chef so insanely long?

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It's only "insane" by myopic Western/American standards. Look at the martial arts of Japan (Judo, Jujitsu) where to earn a black belt--which is traditionally not the end of learning but merely symbolizes understanding of the basics--takes at least 10 years of dedicated study. Since martial arts began to be "Americanized" in the ~1980s, we now see black belts handed out to 8 year old children after a year or two of study (in fairness, Tae Kwon Do is the more common offender in that regard).

Re: Why is the education of a sushi chef so insanely long?

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Can a blinded panel pick out top quality sushi? I hear sommeliers can't do so for wine, often failing to do well even at identifying red versus white. My first cynical guess for why the education is so long is that customers will pay more for it, regardless of whether or not the product itself benefits. Then again, I barely eat sushi.

Re: Why is the education of a sushi chef so insanely long?

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Semi-related: "Jiro Dreams of Sushi", a excelent 90minute documentary movie about "Jiro", an 85-year-old sushi master is available on YouTube w/ english subs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYN7p8dvr64 Great watch, even if you never had sushi or don't like sushi. The extreme drive for perfection is admirable.

Yes, it's an excellent film. Makes you yearn for sushi, though you quickly realize that whatever sushi is in your vicinity, is not what you're actually craving; it's a taste of Jiro's mastery.

Apparently, Tampopo is in a similar vein (though fiction) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092048/?ref_=fn_al_tt_9

Re: Why is the education of a sushi chef so insanely long?

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post #10

Languages all seem to lack the right word for it. "Mastery", "wisdom" etc. all don't seem to quite capture the essence of it. I'm frequently glad for Heinlein's invention of the word "grok" to finally give a name to it. I just wish it was a prettier word.

There's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_(feeling) , although it's not a verb, and would probably be rather weirded if verbed.

(That page ends up referencing, among other things, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satori , which may go well with sushi.)

Re: Why is the education of a sushi chef so insanely long?

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post #13

Can a blinded panel pick out top quality sushi? I hear sommeliers can't do so for wine, often failing to do well even at identifying red versus white. My first cynical guess for why the education is so long is that customers will pay more for it, regardless of whether or not the product itself benefits. Then again, I barely eat sushi.

> Can a blinded panel pick out top quality sushi?

Since fish can vary from practically tasteless to overpowering, it probably depends on the type of fish. But I've seen people can eat sushi and tell you the exact temperature based on the flavor. Or what part of the ocean the fish came from based on the flavor. Those are pretty objective metrics.

Then there's also the whole "people end up in the hospital if you screw up". If you're a poor and unclean sushi chef, you are going to make people sick eventually.

Re: Why is the education of a sushi chef so insanely long?

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He explains things well generally, and then lists off a bunch of different examples, but I don't think we gets specific enough.

For example, he says, "I think my nigiri is still far from perfect: could use improvement to reach the perfect fish and rice balance with firmness and texture."

Why does this take years as opposed to taking standardized pieces of fish and testing by simply adding more or less rice to it. Why would this process take years?

I get what he's saying in general, that things can be infinitely improved, but why years and decades?

Re: Why is the education of a sushi chef so insanely long?

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post #13

Can a blinded panel pick out top quality sushi? I hear sommeliers can't do so for wine, often failing to do well even at identifying red versus white. My first cynical guess for why the education is so long is that customers will pay more for it, regardless of whether or not the product itself benefits. Then again, I barely eat sushi.

> Can a blinded panel pick out top quality sushi? Since fish can vary from practically tasteless to overpowering, it probably depends on the type of fish. But I've seen people can eat sushi and tell you the exact temperature based on the flavor. Or what part of the ocean the fish came from based on the flavor. Those are pretty objective metrics. Then there's also the whole "people end up in the hospital if you screw…

That sound impressive, unless they didn't actually prove their claim. Did someone have a thermometer to stick in the fish? Did someone have evidence the fish came from that part of the ocean? They are objective ONLY if they were actually measured.

Re: Why is the education of a sushi chef so insanely long?

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post #15
post #10

Languages all seem to lack the right word for it. "Mastery", "wisdom" etc. all don't seem to quite capture the essence of it. I'm frequently glad for Heinlein's invention of the word "grok" to finally give a name to it. I just wish it was a prettier word.

There's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_(feeling) , although it's not a verb, and would probably be rather weirded if verbed. (That page ends up referencing, among other things, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satori , which may go well with sushi.)

I think Satori is translated into English as "understanding in fullness".

'Grok' has always seemed to mean to me something kind of like this, where no further epiphanies are possible.

Re: Why is the education of a sushi chef so insanely long?

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It's only "insane" by myopic Western/American standards. Look at the martial arts of Japan (Judo, Jujitsu) where to earn a black belt--which is traditionally not the end of learning but merely symbolizes understanding of the basics--takes at least 10 years of dedicated study. Since martial arts began to be "Americanized" in the ~1980s, we now see black belts handed out to 8 year old children after a year or two of st…

To be fair, the black belt implies only mastery of the standard practices of the discipline. It was originally the only belt awarded, and usually after a year or two of study.

So nothing has fundamentally changed, except that now there are more degrees of belts.

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