Would you describe today's web browsers as “innovative?”
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Re: Would you describe today's web browsers as “innovative?”
#12No, and they shouldn't be. Modern web browsers are "streamlined", which is what they ought to be and how they best serve their users - by being a minimal window to access the real protagonist, web content. "Innovative" ideas should be tested in the form of separate applications or plugins, not shoehorned into the core tool that people use for almost all their access to Internet; experimenting with innovative ideas in…
So the concern about "innovation" within the context of a browser is that can disrupt how they currently work. That being said, do you think that the separate plugins and applications out there are innovative?
The good think is that there's a lot more of variety on apps and plugins than there are different viable mainstream browsers, and I can use those for specific functions at different times. Bundling everything within the same application would force me to have them in my interface all the time.
Re: Would you describe today's web browsers as “innovative?”
#13There's a big difference between innovative idiomatic APIs, innovating the first support for new specs/standards, innovative performance improvements, innovative UI/X, innovative plugin/extension engines, and (unfortunately) innovative interpretations of specs/standards.
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#14Thanks for the survey responses everyone, and please keep them coming!
Re: Would you describe today's web browsers as “innovative?”
#15Where are you going with this? A "browser" is a delivery agent, sort of like the paper and binding in a book. The content of the book can be innovative but who cares if the paper is? Perhaps you are asking "Can you deliver the experience you want to deliver in Today's browsers?" "If not, why not?" which might inform the question of missing features, but such surveys tend to collect dreams rather than requirements ("i…
So your feeling is that the browser is more of an invisible delivery mechanism, and not intended to provide anything other than taking you to your chosen web experience. Is that correct?
Back in the day we already tried the monster do-everythin-and-the-kitchen-sink[1][2] bundle with the original Netscape/Mozilla suite (currently known as SeaMonkey), and it sucked. It's only with Phoenix/Firefox lean-and-streamlined approach that a serious alternative to IE6 took shape.
The expectation of flexibility is covered by the idea of having specific tools provided in the form of web applications, not part of the browser itself. The browser should have all the features required to support those "innovative" experiences, but those should be available as development platform APIs, not in the browser's user interface.
[1] http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2919
[2] http://www-archive.mozilla.org/docs/web-developer/samples/ki...
Re: Would you describe today's web browsers as “innovative?”
#16Why do we still use IP/TCP when many of the same people who helped develop IP/TCP learned important lessons from it and moved on to new ideas such as RINA? We all know that including a port number in a network address violates the principles that the levels in a network stack should be isolated, so why have we allowed 40 years to go by, without doing anything to address this mistake?
We know there is a need for structured documents, and we have endless serialization formats for various ontololgies. We also know there is a need for a GUI that works over networks. We all know what a struggle it has been, for the last 26 years, to make HTML serve both purposes. Isn't it time we get rid of HTML and replace it with different technologies that can specialize in either being a GUI, or in delivering structured data?
Ethernet was introduced in 1980 and became the dominant wire for corporate and data center networks, despite more efficient formats being possible. Why is there such overwhelming conservatism in this area?
Polyglot programming has become the norm on servers, but the client has become a monoculture where Javascript killed off the other competing technologies (Flash, Swing, etc). An innovative browser would be one that gave us a virtual machine in the client that could support polyglot programming on the client. Instead, most "innovation" in 2015 is focused on making Javascript incrementally better.
"Browser" has become almost synonymous with the HTTP protocol, plus WebSockets (which still uses HTTP for the handshake). Wouldn't an innovative browser merely grant us a shell for handling IP/TCP, into which we could drop whatever runtime we wanted? That would enable polyglot programming on the client, and open the door to new categories of software being handled by the "browser". In fact, all software could then be handled by the "browser" as the "browser" would then become the most obvious way to enable desktop software.
For decades now, at least since the 1960s, programmers have been seeking ways to make their software multi-platform. Back in 1990 Patrick Naughton and James Gosling started working on Java, guided by the slogan "Write once, run anywhere". That slogan should still be our goal. What are we doing to move the society forward to the era when that slogan can be true?
In the 1830s and 1840s it was common for the steam engines in locomotives to explode. Early steel bridges sometimes collapsed, because engineers did not know what strain the steel could take. Our society moves forward when important technology becomes so mature and stable that the whole of society can depend on it. At what moment will computers become as reliable as locomotives and steel bridges? And what are we each doing to get us there?
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#17It just seems a little odd asking people to share without any explanation of who you are or what the purpose of this is. For example, are you being compensated by some polling agency for collecting this data? What are you hoping to accomplish with it? What's your privacy policy with respect to the free-form comment field?
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#19I think you might get less push-back on whether a browser should aspire to being "innovative" if you draw finer distinctions about types of innovation. There's a big difference between innovative idiomatic APIs, innovating the first support for new specs/standards, innovative performance improvements, innovative UI/X, innovative plugin/extension engines, and (unfortunately) innovative interpretations of specs/standar…
Re: Would you describe today's web browsers as “innovative?”
#20No, and they shouldn't be. Modern web browsers are "streamlined", which is what they ought to be and how they best serve their users - by being a minimal window to access the real protagonist, web content. "Innovative" ideas should be tested in the form of separate applications or plugins, not shoehorned into the core tool that people use for almost all their access to Internet; experimenting with innovative ideas in…
So the concern about "innovation" within the context of a browser is that can disrupt how they currently work. That being said, do you think that the separate plugins and applications out there are innovative?
That seems to be a nice-sounding way of saying "breaking something that used to work", which is a significant problem with far too much "innovation" in modern browsers.