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How Doomed is NetApp?

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Re: How Doomed is NetApp?

#11

Nimble, Pure and Nutanix are delivering easy to use, high performance storage/compute for a fraction of the cost of EMC and Netapp. This is reason why Netapp is losing clients to Nimble, and EMC is losing to Pure. Cisco should stay on their toes with Nutanix line of Software defined hardware.

What about Simplivity? Do you have any experience/opinion on them?

Re: How Doomed is NetApp?

#12
post #2

NetApp can join Sun and Oracle in the pile of great technology that was massively overpriced and oversold by short-sighted fools.

What are you talking about? Oracle's main goal with the Sun acquisition was to bolster their Engineered Systems business. The result so far has been quite successful:

- http://www.eweek.com/servers/slideshows/oracle-continues-to-...

- http://www.forbes.com/sites/oracle/2015/03/31/how-engineered...

Re: How Doomed is NetApp?

#13

Nimble, Pure and Nutanix are delivering easy to use, high performance storage/compute for a fraction of the cost of EMC and Netapp. This is reason why Netapp is losing clients to Nimble, and EMC is losing to Pure. Cisco should stay on their toes with Nutanix line of Software defined hardware.

What about Simplivity? Do you have any experience/opinion on them?

I do not! Would love to hear more info, I am really only commenting on the hardware I know/own. But I have heard pretty good things about their replication and how they are neck and neck with Nutanix. I have UCS for my main sites, and Nutanix for my Remote offices and its working great!

Re: How Doomed is NetApp?

#14
post #7

I went to a cloud dev summit a year ago and they flat out said on stage that Microsoft and Amazon were under pricing cloud to kill competition. So this is just as expected...

"Microsoft and Amazon were under pricing cloud to kill competition"

Who can forget the stories of Microsoft offering their browser for free in order to cut off Netscapes air supply:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_McGeady

Re: How Doomed is NetApp?

#17
There is one thing that Netapp does very well, which nobody else can really deliver:

A file server that can serve over NFS & CIFS, whilst simultaneously be able to serve block traffic over FC, SAS and 10/40gig ethernet. With snapshots, decent performance, and once setup, can be left for 3 years (at which point its either too small or needs a new maintenance contract.)

Nimble, they can do small, cheap and easy to configure. But they can't do fast(unless you are just doing small VMs), they can only do block storage, and FC is a beta product. No real HA.

Pure, Fast, but limited to 250tbs. No metrosync. Block only.

nutanix needs infrastructure upgrade to work at any decent speed. Limited to VM storage. (I think there is a licensing cost for that from VMware too. )

However that's not to say that netapp are the only show in town. They can be utterly shit for many tasks. More importantly, if you let them, they'll bleed you dry. Most people reading this, will never need a system that does block and file storage. But medium sized boring companies need them.

IBM with GPFS have an interesting product, its just marketed and supported by morons. Its fairly simple to create a global file system, with geographic data affinity, that scale linearly when you throw hardware at it. It seriously is amazing. If it wasn't so held back by IBM, you could have a simple globally shared filesystem across your entire cloud infrastructure, that's fast (unlike EBS/EFS/S3)

Object storage is another matter. Object storage is another way of saying that globally coherent fast posix file access is hard, so here's some thin layers over a keyvalue store, you do the rest.

Some people do it right (S3, cleversafe) A lot of people do it wrong. There are important tradeoffs, Like latency, data affinity, or mutability of data. Like a Netapp, no one system will do everything at the right price.

Re: How Doomed is NetApp?

#18
post #15

Only on a Saturday would this make it to the top of HN.

I am curious why you said that?

This is just a guess, but maybe because our CIOs all screen our web traffic and would be offended to learn they wasted so much money on these products?

Crap I left my VPN on!!!

Re: How Doomed is NetApp?

#19
post #5

All I can say is that I am moving everything I can to cloud object storage from my Netapp because of 2 cents vs. $2 for GB of storage. Also Netapp wouldn't be my third chios on the next purchase of storage

So what do you do when you need fast local storage?

Re: How Doomed is NetApp?

#20
post #2

NetApp can join Sun and Oracle in the pile of great technology that was massively overpriced and oversold by short-sighted fools.

What are you talking about? Oracle's main goal with the Sun acquisition was to bolster their Engineered Systems business. The result so far has been quite successful: - http://www.eweek.com/servers/slideshows/oracle-continues-to-... - http://www.forbes.com/sites/oracle/2015/03/31/how-engineered...

So successful Oracle keep missing their numbers and refuse to tell anyone how their divisions break down, leading analysts to assume it's because the hardware and OS division is a money sink.
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