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French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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It just took ONE small-scale false flag operation "Charlie Hebdo" for the French people to give up their rights and for their predatory security apparatus to jump and devour them.

"False Flag" is quite an assertion to be making.

Do you have proof..?

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. (http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed)

Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police etc.) has also declared the right to private life to not be a freedom. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WODKfxtJQbE)

This law was voted by 30 delegates. From a total of 577. This is what we can expect of our National Assembly. I expected a bit more of them considering they were 40 (!) to debate it. And they were granted a whole two minutes to explain themselves. To debate a law that allows bypassing judges, installing black boxes (read: DPI tools) anywhere without needing a judge, and quite a few more fun things.

To any french reader here (or any reader in a country whose laws explicitly allow this type of mass surveilance) :

* Use LetsEncrypt to get an SSL certificate for your website (or selfsign one with the proper configuration). Not that this will matter much because this law will allow them to ask you to hand over your private keys

* Use TrueCrypt v 7.1a, the latest and audited version for you hard drive, or use LUKS if you're on Linux.

* Use TextSecure and RedPhone. While I'm not aware of any recent audits, it's a hundred times better than going through regular channels.

* Use Pidgin+OffTheRecord for your private chats.

I am so fucking mad. And have no doubts, the senate will pass this. The worst (best) that could happend to this law is a few minor changes, but the key points will stay. And I doubt our constitutional council will reject it.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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post #6

It just took ONE small-scale false flag operation "Charlie Hebdo" for the French people to give up their rights and for their predatory security apparatus to jump and devour them.

Irish here (to give a context for a long time this place was synonymous with terrorism)

Quite a lot of Europeans scoffed at Americans in early 00s pointing (rightly) at the overreaction that followed such as {invading Iraq|Patriot Act|TSA crap|Further rise of the military industrial complex} for highly questionable reasons was.

It took much smaller (yet equally as appalling attacks as 9/11) in Spain, UK and France for most of European countries to go down similar paths as US when it comes to surveillance and the rise of the police states.

It seems to me that Islamic Extremism (while highly dangerous to everyone including Muslims themselves as ISIS have illustrated) is being used by politicians as:

1. A way to grab more power over the population

2. Not to appear as "weak"

So nutcase authoritarians following middle age teachings and stupidity are leading to rise of police/surveillance states which could be easily co-opted once the infrastructure is in place to result in what essentially is fascist / Orwellian places to live.

Ouch :(

An analogy would be a virus leading to an overreaction from white cells weakening/killing the host.

edit: What solution might I present to Islamism? Given an educated population the choice between living in prosperous and free countries and medieval backwater is a nobrainer. So the answer lies with education, economics and freedom. Quite alot of Muslims already go to great lengths to live in Europe/USA tho unfortunately the extremists pray on segregation and race and economic inequalities to drive their wedge and spread their virus.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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post #3

French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

How the fuck does 25/577 make quorum? Do they not have this concept?

Nope, it was the same thing with Hadopi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HADOPI_law

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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post #9
post #3

French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

They announced that they are going to relocate, indeed: https://eu.ovh.com/fr/news/articles/a1743.le-gouvernement-ve... And launched a big initiative to federate tech actors against the bill: http://ni-pigeons-ni-espions.fr/ ######## Breaking ######## Octave Klaba finally declares that the bill doesn't compromise the trust chain. https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/588666965755092993

Did they release an English translation of that?

(Google Translate link: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3... )

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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post #14

La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. ( http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed) Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police…

TextSecure is either Text (SMS, which are not encrypted), OR secure (data). Not both simultaneously.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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It is not a hasard to have this kind of laws in France. France hasn't known dictatorship for long. French representatives don't know what a Stasi-like security state would look like. It would be harder to have such a law in Germany.

The low number of delegates during the vote whows how archaic the French politic system is: they are against their own party so they prefer to be missing. There is little discussion. And there is no way to make a petition in France that would go to the parliament or provoke a referendum.

France just shows how current institutions are overwhelmed by new technologies.

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