what they taught me in econ 1a: 1. limited supply (even when you count the fake for-profit schools) 2. increased demand (EVERYONE wants to go to college) 3. easy financing which increases 2. (student loans) results in inflating prices. not really sure what the mystery here is.
The Real Reason College Tuition Costs So Much
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#13One thing I've noticed about American universities compared with universities in other countries (Japan, Korea, UK), is that almost every decent American university I've seen seems to be really well-maintained, in that the campus is very clean, in good repair, frequently renovated, etc, even the out-of-the-public-eye spaces (grad student offices and the like). Japanese and Korean universities, on the other hand, are…
http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/ci_25916902/cu-boulder-bu...
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#14One thing I've noticed about American universities compared with universities in other countries (Japan, Korea, UK), is that almost every decent American university I've seen seems to be really well-maintained, in that the campus is very clean, in good repair, frequently renovated, etc, even the out-of-the-public-eye spaces (grad student offices and the like). Japanese and Korean universities, on the other hand, are…
The author of the article is from Boulder... they just started on a $63M rec center renovation and they have a pool in the shape of a buffalo. There are only 30,000 students, so right there is $2,000 per student on a portion of the facilities that isn't involved in teaching. http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/ci_25916902/cu-boulder-bu...
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#15It didn't make sense to me until I read this: from the article: "Some of this increased spending in education has been driven by a sharp rise in the percentage of Americans who go to college." from the comments: "The money PER STUDENT was slashed. That is what matters for the cost to each student."… "This is an elaborate lie, to justify what is indefensible without the help of such lies."
This article seems to have gone out of its way to list a lot of aggregate numbers that increased while comparing it to per-student tuition. Also, there could be more factors than just the increased percentage of people who go to college. The tuition increase could also include increased administrative costs or spending on extracurricular activities such sports. I know that when I was attending UC Davis, we saw an inc…
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#16It didn't make sense to me until I read this: from the article: "Some of this increased spending in education has been driven by a sharp rise in the percentage of Americans who go to college." from the comments: "The money PER STUDENT was slashed. That is what matters for the cost to each student."… "This is an elaborate lie, to justify what is indefensible without the help of such lies."
Well the article disagrees with that claim, "Appropriations per student are much higher now than they were in the 1960s and 1970s, when tuition was a small fraction of what it is today." so I guess it would be time to go to the references/data if we had them.
[1]"States are all over the map on their retreat from higher education. At one extreme are the two states that have managed to maintain their fiscal 1980 investment through 2011: Wyoming (+2.3 percent) and North Dakota (+0.8 percent).
But these are the exceptions. All other states have reduced their support by anywhere from 14.8 percent to 69.4 percent between fiscal 1980 and fiscal 2011."
This covers roughly the same time period as in the article. Only there is something different going on: state appropriations for higher education is going down.
[1] http://www.acenet.edu/the-presidency/columns-and-features/Pa...
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#17One thing I've noticed about American universities compared with universities in other countries (Japan, Korea, UK), is that almost every decent American university I've seen seems to be really well-maintained, in that the campus is very clean, in good repair, frequently renovated, etc, even the out-of-the-public-eye spaces (grad student offices and the like). Japanese and Korean universities, on the other hand, are…
In the United States, university education is extremely hierarchical. If you're fairly well off (parents earning $120,000/year), you can easily get a free education at one of the top schools. However, go to a school closer to 25th and there will be fees even for those whose parents earn less. I don't think most countries third-level systems are nearly as hierarchical. As such, it's a big deal for universities to compete for students (and students to compete for universities) in the US.
A lot of that probably comes from American universities being completely independent of one another. I mean, sure, Imperial College London is independent from University College London, but they're ultimately responsible to the UK government. I don't think unbridled spending to court students from one government institution to another (via perceived, not actual quality) would really be looked upon well.
To be fair, the lack of coordination can also put American universities in an awkward position. As soldiers came home and took advantage of the GI Bill, universities greatly expanded their capacity to teach them. As that large increase in students dropped off, universities were left with a lot of excess capacity. A lot of the increase in spending can be traced back to that period as universities tried to keep their enrolment steady.
Ultimately, American universities are a combination of school and summer camp. Generally students live in university-owned dorms, they eat in university-owned cafeterias, and go to university-sponsored social events. All of that costs money, but in a competitive environment where students travel across the country to go to the university they perceive as best (that let them in), those costs are necessary from the university's perspective.
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#18what they taught me in econ 1a: 1. limited supply (even when you count the fake for-profit schools) 2. increased demand (EVERYONE wants to go to college) 3. easy financing which increases 2. (student loans) results in inflating prices. not really sure what the mystery here is.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
This article seems to have gone out of its way to list a lot of aggregate numbers that increased while comparing it to per-student tuition. Also, there could be more factors than just the increased percentage of people who go to college. The tuition increase could also include increased administrative costs or spending on extracurricular activities such sports. I know that when I was attending UC Davis, we saw an inc…
The article mentioned the large increase in administrators.
In 2011 21.0 million people where going to an undergraduate degree, in 1970 that was just 7.3 million. So from 1970 to now ~2.7 times as many people are getting an undergraduate degree. They are using some nebuslus 1960's number and inflation increased 7.93x from 1960 to now. 7.93 x ~3 = 23.79 x increase would have kept up per student.
Or roughly the government is spending less than 1/2 as much per student after adjusting for inflation. http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=1&year1=1960&ye...
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#20One thing I've noticed about American universities compared with universities in other countries (Japan, Korea, UK), is that almost every decent American university I've seen seems to be really well-maintained, in that the campus is very clean, in good repair, frequently renovated, etc, even the out-of-the-public-eye spaces (grad student offices and the like). Japanese and Korean universities, on the other hand, are…
I go to college in U.S., and a lot friends of mine attend one of the best universities in China. I have the freedom to take practically any course in the university, and my friends basically know what their four years look like before freshman year. I never worry about finding seats in the library, and my friends sometimes have to camp outside before it opens near finals. I have plenty of resources (Profs, TAs, advisors, peer tutors) when I get stuck, whereas my friends mostly have to figure it out on their own. I've been living in singles since freshman year, and my friends have dorm rooms that are slightly larger than mine, but with four students living in it. They don't even have shower in the dorm and have to go to a communal facility. Their bathrooms are dark, dirty and don't have bowls (squat toilets), while ours are some of the cleanest I've seen.
On the other hand, I pay almost $50k in tuition alone each year, while my friends pay per year