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Why the mainstream media is dying

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Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

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The problem to me is that most media outlets are still populated with J-school grads when they should be housed with experts.

That's why blogs are winning, because you can go straight to these people with laser focused insights that you just can't get from a j-school grad. In the past, journalists would have to go to experts for comments and structure stories around that, now with blogs you get to cut out the middle man.

A lot of the good reporting I saw over the last year has come from experts. Nate Silver at Five Thirty Eight was able to generate some really great analysis on election polls.

The crew at CalculatedRisk gave reported on the mortgage industry and financial crisis better than most mainstream outlets. Actually, Tanta over there used to have to regularly correct Gretchen Morgenson, one of the senior writers at the NYT.

With war reporting, Andrew Exum at AbuMuqawama was really really great on issues dealing with the Surge/Afghanistan/Iraq. I have to bet that one of the reasons is because he served as a ranger in Afghanistan and Iraq and then got a masters in COIN and a PhD studying Hezb.

These were instances outside of Tech where I saw some really good reporting. I think Tech media will always be ahead of everyone just based on the savviness of their consumers. You can really see that with the absolute embracing of video podcast programs by the tech crowd whereas in finance we still havent seen anything close to that for taking out trash like CNBC.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

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The problem to me is that most media outlets are still populated with J-school grads when they should be housed with experts. That's why blogs are winning, because you can go straight to these people with laser focused insights that you just can't get from a j-school grad. In the past, journalists would have to go to experts for comments and structure stories around that, now with blogs you get to cut out the middle…

On the other hand, the problem with populating the air waves with experts is that it's hard to put on a good show and spin the story the right way if everyone on-air is authoritative.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

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The problem to me is that most media outlets are still populated with J-school grads when they should be housed with experts. That's why blogs are winning, because you can go straight to these people with laser focused insights that you just can't get from a j-school grad. In the past, journalists would have to go to experts for comments and structure stories around that, now with blogs you get to cut out the middle…

Does anything in Arrington's background make him better suited to cover technology than a journalism graduate?

Eventually, each of them has the chance to make himself into an expert in his field. The journalism grad might also remember some stuff from her studies such as not to invest in companies operating in the field she covers, verify with several sources, try to get responses before publishing and so on.

I'd say that blogs are a huge disappointment exactly because they failed to fulfill the promise of reporting by those who know most. Instead we got reporting by the those who write most, which tend to be the Scobles and Arringtons of this world rather than the Cunninghams and Torvalds (Torvaldi? ;).

I think Fake Steve is among the sharpest commentator on this space, but he's completely wrong here, suggesting TC > NYT because something they threw out against the wall managed to stay stuck.

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Mainstream media is not dying. The article proved that in one case, Techcrunch reported substantially better than New York Times. But it should be mentioned, that 1) this is not always the case, and 2) Technology is only a small part of what mainstream media cover. Also, in my opinion, Techcrunch is not a blog in the traditional sense of that word. Yes, it uses blogging software and sorts its articles chronologically…

The New York Times is a century and a half old. Techcrunch hasn't even passed half a decade. Blogging's ten years old. Give it another ten and where do you think it'll be? Blogs already cover politics and technology more thoroughly than papers. I'll bet webcomics are catching up to newspaper funnies in popularity. By 2019, there won't be anything in newspapers that you can't get better online. How is TechCrunch not a…

I agree with that sentiment, but beware of directly comparing age. Blogging will likely rise and fall faster than newspapers.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

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The New York Times is a century and a half old. Techcrunch hasn't even passed half a decade. Blogging's ten years old. Give it another ten and where do you think it'll be? Blogs already cover politics and technology more thoroughly than papers. I'll bet webcomics are catching up to newspaper funnies in popularity. By 2019, there won't be anything in newspapers that you can't get better online. How is TechCrunch not a…

I agree with that sentiment, but beware of directly comparing age. Blogging will likely rise and fall faster than newspapers.

I only half agree. What we think of as blogging will fall faster, but the idea of independent electronic publication will stick around longer than newspapers did. Flexibility trumps everything.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

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The mainstream media is certainly not dying; the newspapers, and the television, however are.

People forget that a newspaper, or a magazine, or a television station aren't news sources; they're distribution systems.

Every day, I wake up and read things from: The Times Online, New Scientist, Scientific American, Wired, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Foreign Policy, The Financial Times, and probably more.

The paradigm might be changing shape, but it isn't going to be that different. Websites like this one become new-stands, and the distribution changes (from papers and trucks to packets and routers), but that is about it.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

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i e-mailed this. including it below in case anyone finds it curious.

'of course fake steve jobs is all caught up in the fact that he wrote a semi decent article for newsweek about this. but the failure at nyt is pretty epic. i remember reading their article on zynga last week and thinking -- wtf? are these guys even paying attention to anything? but investigative journalism is quite different from other types of journalism. but i will say about arrington that the two big points in his favor were (a) in his original riposte with shukla, he says in his second mic session, 'this will make good copy'. the fact that he knew that way back then is a sign that that fool has matured. he is way ahead of the game compared to any other tech journalist. (b) the video he found of pincus telling developers that he had scammed in the beginning was HUGE. forced facebook to force zynga to kill this entire lead-gen industry (or at least severely modify it). and that, truly, is the benefit of online journalism. a single journalist at a desk assigned to a single story can't find those videos. you need the power of hundreds of people reading articles and collaborating (some dude probably thought to himself -- hmm, wait a second, i remember i was at that startup talk a couple of years ago...).

on the other hand, the developers, whom fake steve jobs calls scammy or something -- i don't really think they quite realized the extent of what was going on. it doesn't shirk their responsibility to see better. but, now we know. and boy, mainstream media was completely out of the loop of this entire change in the tech industry. so let's blame them. jk, but the long-term and short-term benefits of reporting w/ and w/o serious editors is going to be a bigger and bigger issue.'

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

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This misses the elephant in the room: the majority of the Times article probably written by a PR firm, not by anyone employed at NYT. I've met several journalists that say it pretty bluntly - the only place to make a decent salary for a good journalist is in PR houses and think tanks.

Re: Why the mainstream media is dying

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The problem to me is that most media outlets are still populated with J-school grads when they should be housed with experts. That's why blogs are winning, because you can go straight to these people with laser focused insights that you just can't get from a j-school grad. In the past, journalists would have to go to experts for comments and structure stories around that, now with blogs you get to cut out the middle…

Does anything in Arrington's background make him better suited to cover technology than a journalism graduate? Eventually, each of them has the chance to make himself into an expert in his field. The journalism grad might also remember some stuff from her studies such as not to invest in companies operating in the field she covers, verify with several sources, try to get responses before publishing and so on. I'd say…

Arrington has experience with successful startups and securities law. Perhaps that helps him scrutinize start ups better, especially for gauging their revenue prospects and drilling down the drivers for that.

That might have gotten him curious about how Zygna really made their money and led him to look at those rebill ads.

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