I don't understand exactly how this cheating method work? How do the students communicate with the people outside?
India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar
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Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar
#12On a much different scale, but an Indian outsourcing firm we do business with (Capgemini) gives our interview questions to subsequent candidates. Sometimes it's evident they are trying desperately to Google for answers during telephone interviews, and I've even noticed that there is sometimes someone else there feeding them with answers!
I didn't know Capgemini is doing much outsourcing in India. A lecturer at my university is by Capgemini. Do you have any more good stories?
It's technically a French company, but they have an incredible 50,000+ employees in India.
There was one development candidate I was interviewing who was speaking to himself in hushed tones, during the interview '...google...sql join...', 'YES, YES, JUST A MINUTE SIR', '...next page...no, no..ah..' etc. Quite ridiculous.
I have to interview about 20 shortlisted people to find 1 decent developer. Problem is it's difficult to use CVs/resumes to shortlist, since many are complete fabrications.
Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar
#13This is shocking even as a Indian. In a place where scoring high rather than learning is of prime importance, this is not unbelievable. But parents helping out, this is all-out crazy level.
Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar
#14As someone from Bihar, there is a pattern to this cheating. Certain years, the Govt. decides to clamp down hard and exams happen under Election like security and certain years you have free for all cheating.
Also Bihar has a very small number of engineering colleges (like 9-10 compared to almost 300 in Tamilnadu), so in my experience people who cheat; tend to filter out themselves, because people have to compete hard for engineering entrance examinations (like IIT-JEE/AIEEE). My point is - by and large, it wouldn't be fair to paint a average engineer from Bihar by same brushstroke (of course, this is bit self-serving because I happen to have same background).
Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar
#15The problem is that if you have 1.4 million people to compete against in your state and you know the authorities don't really care if you cheat, then you absolutely have an incentive to cheat. This is a political & cultural problem, but is absolutely solvable.
In my graduate program (~60 people) at a top tier US engineering school, about 10% were Chinese, 80% Indian, and 10% American. The Indians did all their work as a big team, and it didn't matter whether it was homework, quizzes, projects, tests, or even their theses. They didn't consider it cheating at all, even though it absolutely was (except the homework, where partnership was usually encouraged). Everyone else knew they were cheating, but in the absence of professors willing to confront the problem, what is an honest student to do? Do you maintain your integrity at the risk of lower grades, or do you cheat, too, and ensure a high GPA?
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#16I don't understand exactly how this cheating method work? How do the students communicate with the people outside?
Shortly after you receive the question paper, the question paper is sent to people outside, either through windows you can see, or by taking 'pee break'. after which they prepare answers and deliver them through windows, or they take it from bathrooms, when taking the '2nd pee break'. I have sat in one of those exams, ;) but it was in Pakistan, nothing dissimilar though. That said, it was about 10 years ago. Now there are very tough 'restrictions' esp., in urban areas, but in rural areas I guess this could be still in practice.
But this does not help any of them, because even witin Pakistan, the degree from the Sindh province (where it is more common), is barely taken seriously, when applying for the Job.
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#17Not sure if relevant, but when I was in 10th Grade, the teachers helped all of us in the exams. They didn't want to tarnish the image of the school by having a low-pass result.
Yes, India.
Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar
#18The whole Indian Education system reeks with strong attitude towards just getting grades & marks, discourages any innovative / critical thinking and to be honest, it is completely hopeless. The higher you climb, the more messed up it is. If any qualified person would be there to make the examination papers and to check them, in most of the engineering colleges here, I doubt even 20% would make it till the end. The questions are repetitive, quite general and purposely unspecific.
People buy reports, seminars, projects because they find it impossible to make it on their own. Cheating with so common and ingrained that it is something to boast about and not frowned upon by anyone, in fact, an average student believes that he has a moral right to cheat. Even the IITs which produce the smartest bunch are able to attract the smartest because of their 'brand' and not because of any intrinsic value they provide. The same story of typical Indian college applies to them.
The good news is, no of startups that are actually interested in someone's talent have grown in past few years. Someone like me, who found their 'path' through Internet, is lucky to be part of one of them. :)
Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar
#19This is shocking even as a Indian. In a place where scoring high rather than learning is of prime importance, this is not unbelievable. But parents helping out, this is all-out crazy level.
Bihar like few other north indian states have heavy male dominance. About 90% of relatives I know, want their daughters to finish Matriculation and get married.
The point is - parents put such little emphasis on education of their daughters that girls learn very little in terms of real knowledge by the time - they have to write board exams. Now it is very important to be at least class 10th pass for getting married, so parents put all resources they can to get them to pass (which includes cheating).
Having said that, both boys and girls cheat of course. But from my experience - the society makes it damn hard for girls to excel academically. They have to help with house chores - cooking, cleaning and often are encouraged by parents to skip classes for doing stuff at home.
Re: India students caught 'cheating' in exams in Bihar
#20On a much different scale, but an Indian outsourcing firm we do business with (Capgemini) gives our interview questions to subsequent candidates. Sometimes it's evident they are trying desperately to Google for answers during telephone interviews, and I've even noticed that there is sometimes someone else there feeding them with answers!
Why do you continue to work with them?