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Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Sam is obviously not a disinterested party here. Don't join a big company- start a new investment for him to participate in or join one of his existing investments and help to make it a success. But in my experience nothing opens doors for you like having solid experience at a well known and well respected company. If you put in 5 years at Google, Apple, etc. you will find it to be much easier to start (or to get hir…

Yup - also, the business experience I gained at a multi-national was invaluable when it came to running my own company - both for some "how the world works" basic understanding (IANAL but can grok B2B contracts like a champ) and a solid grasp of what bad practices don't really hurt a giant corporation with mass and momentum, but could sink a young company very quickly.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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"Y Combinator usually invests $120 thousand in its startups, but Altman revealed during the Q-and-A that they have plans for helping startups requiring more money. “We have some news coming on that," different type(s) of startups being funded?

Or just a structure that better accommodates capital intensive business. There are markets where there's no MVP, with the emphasis on viable a couple of people can hack up in a year because the list of minimum necessary attributes is too large.

Under the current structure, raising capital can swamp developing a product when the minimum skin is say $12 million even eating ramen. Some businesses require 100 staff and not requiring the founders to sell unrealistic visions of equity turning into wealth compensating for below market salaries is a way to build better company culture when the work demands 35 or 60 people.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Got to keep the supply of young, cheap, idealistic and naive new developers going somehow ;-) /am a boring developer at a boring big company

How is life having a secure check coming every month?

They're still a happy fantasy, given how easy it is to let go here in the States.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Maybe the 'MIT students' are a different enough population that the advice has to be specifically tailored for them.

Somehow, I doubt it. I think the average MIT graduate is just as naive (and inexperienced) as graduates from other universities. If so, then most should join big, established companies.

Startup life is not for everyone. Some people might do better (even financially) staying at more stable companies. There's nothing wrong with that.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Advice from a VC is offered for their benefit, not yours.

Not just from VCs, I could have saved my self a lot of anguish if I had realised this when I was younger.

"Cui bono" is a popular phrase for a reason

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Perhaps I am wrong, but this seems like horrible advice. For example, while working for a big co, you could come across a problem that you want to solve with a startup. If you are a kid just out of college, you probably don't have enough experience to work on anything but a consumer facing startup - and those have very low odds of success, despite a few big unicorns we all know about

I don't think you can make a blanket statement about it, but there is a good reason to work for a small company or startup: you get to write more of the stack.

At large companies, you often end up working on a tiny piece of a module, and then you work you way up. You don't learn much that way.

There are companies that try to give you more control, but no one is going to throw you into the deep end at those companies. That's exactly what you need if you want to turn a bunch of academic training into practical experience.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Advice from a VC is offered for their benefit, not yours.

That doesn't mean it's bad advice.

Car insurance companies put out ads telling people to wear their seatbelts. It's not because they care what happens to you. If that were the case, other companies would probably have ads like that too.

The insurance companies do it because a few million spent on ads that prevent 2 or 3 major accidents could easily save them some money.

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post #8

Sam is obviously not a disinterested party here. Don't join a big company- start a new investment for him to participate in or join one of his existing investments and help to make it a success. But in my experience nothing opens doors for you like having solid experience at a well known and well respected company. If you put in 5 years at Google, Apple, etc. you will find it to be much easier to start (or to get hir…

I don't disagree about self interest playing a role, consciously or unconsciously. But there is some of the tent revialist's 'true belief' in the sermonizer and most likely many of the audience are 'already saved.' The be startup entrepreneur meme is so prevalent that there could easily have been people in the audience who planned on applying to YC while filling out their MIT application.

In other words, I suspect the audience was largely self selected. And in fairness to Altman he wasn't pitching the rainbows and unicorns to people in the middle of the bell curve. MIT students are a cohort statistically more likely to succeed in Silcon Valley tech culture than Alabama bumpkins at cow colleges.

But again, I agree there's self interest involved. That's also true for Apple, Google, IBM and Microsoft recruitment.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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Maybe the 'MIT students' are a different enough population that the advice has to be specifically tailored for them. Somehow, I doubt it. I think the average MIT graduate is just as naive (and inexperienced) as graduates from other universities. If so, then most should join big, established companies. Startup life is not for everyone. Some people might do better (even financially) staying at more stable companies. Th…

> Some people might do better (even financially) staying at more stable companies.

I would venture to say that MOST people will do better financially if they stay at a large, established company. A new grad might think their 0.05% equity stake will make them rich, but most startups fail, and even the ones that don't are rarely homeruns. Established companies with deep pockets often pay better, and grant their employees RSUs. RSUs are much easier to cash out if the company is publicly traded.

I was recently granted a non-trivial pile of RSUs. Enough for a down-payment on a house in the Boston area. That's better than I'm going to do with 99% of startups, and my salary is reflective of a mature company with deep pockets. (Another thing startups often lack.) In many ways it's the best of both worlds. And if I leave? It'll be for another large company (Google, Apple, Facebook, etc.) that'll make me whole for anything I leave unvested on the table. Good luck with that at a startup--liquidity matters.

I'm not alone -- I have friends at Apple and Google. Their RSUs vesting layers are crazy. For one friend, it's 70% of his gross salary, and he's not what we would call "senior management". He'd be stupid to join a startup.

Re: Y Combinator partners tell MIT students to steer clear of big-name companies

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post #8

Sam is obviously not a disinterested party here. Don't join a big company- start a new investment for him to participate in or join one of his existing investments and help to make it a success. But in my experience nothing opens doors for you like having solid experience at a well known and well respected company. If you put in 5 years at Google, Apple, etc. you will find it to be much easier to start (or to get hir…

I agree with this, and the fact that I feel there is an under-valuing of the experience working for large companies - whether that experience is good or bad (in general).

Working for larger companies will make you dislike bureaucracy but also understand how it mitigates risk (and hopefully allow you to find a happy medium). It also will push you to compete under pressures that you won't normally just put on yourself, it will teach you how to take customers seriously, how to build systems and applications seriously.

This is not to say big companies get all this right; far from it. But working for them will make you much more bulletproof than working on your startup by yourself.

This is why most successful startups are NOT started by 20-something kids, but actually 40-something former corporate employees.

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