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What you wanted to know about AI

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Re: What you wanted to know about AI

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Tldr: current AI capabilities are exaggerated by cherry-picked sample data and fear fueled by famous smart people is unwarranted.

Do Any of those cited give specific timelines? Even if we are very far away, do you really doubt that one day machines will have superhuman intelligence? I take that as pretty much a given, whether it's 50 or 500 years from now. What I'm not so sure of is whether fear is an appropriate response.

Altman's bacteria handwashing analogy doesn't hold up. We don't care about bacteria because they have no central nervous system or consciousness on any level. However, we go out of our way to protect animals that can feel pain and experience emotions because it's what we've decided through our intelligence and higher reasoning is the moral thing to do. Stats show that the more intelligent and educated the human, the more likely he is to behave morally as our greatest moral philosophers define it. Why would super intelligent machines buck this trend?

Re: What you wanted to know about AI

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Indeed we are far far away from true AI (to me it implies self-consciousness). The point is even if it happens in 100 or 200 years, it will be a huge change in human history. I guess Gates, Hawking and Stark are talking about a further AI creation, they are kind of long-term thinking guys.

Seems like it's a popular sentiment to think of Elon Musk as Tony Stark ;). I believe you mean to say "Gates, Hawking and Musk". Stark doesn't tend to talk about AI, he build them.

Re: What you wanted to know about AI

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. As someone who works in AI (and knows its limitations) it's frustrating to see the layperson getting nervous about AI after watching Chappie and hearing some of these quotes from Gates and the like. Human level AI is way way way out.

I think it's reasonable for the layperson to get a bit nervous. Even if it's 50 or 200 years, advanced, human-brain-like-or-better AI will happen. Imagine the public sentiment if mass media made people aware of the inevitability of the nuclear bomb 50 to 200 years in advance and people (not just the government) were actively working on developing it.

In the analogy of nuclear bomb, it's more likely than not a public awareness of nuclear power would have prevented nuclear plant (the good thing), nuclear bomb (the bad thing) is extremely unlikely to not be developed anyway.

Re: What you wanted to know about AI

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Nice article. I'd like to point out that in the Pacman example the agent is only receiving a partial picture of the environment (details are in the video description), so it's unfair to criticize it for lack of planning.

As to why this is the case you'd have to ask the researcher, but I think it's because the observation space would be too big for the machine running the agent (both memory and run time)

Re: What you wanted to know about AI

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There's some good comments about some new AI tools; it's a shame that the article's premise is a straw man.

The fears of machine superintelligence are based on the belief that true AI is just around a corner. After all, we’re so advanced and the progress is only accelerating, it’s probably a few years away, at most.

Analogously, public figures started warning us about climate change, so it must be just a few years before the earth is uninhabitable. It should be pretty obvious that if we start worrying about significant threats only a "few years" before they kill us, that will be as a rule too late.

Carbon-driven global warming ("the greenhouse effect") was gathering support in the 60s, followed by consensus in the 80s. Yet we are just now experiencing the first years of growth without increased carbon output.

The claim by the concerned parties with respect to harmful AI is that it may be a threat in the next 25 to 50 years: 2043 and 2065 are common estimates. "A few years" isn't a good way to characterize that, interpret Gates, etc., or a reasonable understanding of when we start worrying.

Re: What you wanted to know about AI

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Indeed we are far far away from true AI (to me it implies self-consciousness). The point is even if it happens in 100 or 200 years, it will be a huge change in human history. I guess Gates, Hawking and Stark are talking about a further AI creation, they are kind of long-term thinking guys.

It depends on what you mean by self-consciousness. On the one hand it can be processes for understanding oneself and modifying oneself to better survive in the environment, on the other you have the illusory "qualia" / subjective experience. It seems possible to me to have a self-improving process and an active process to evaluate the world state and self state without consciousness, and that this could result in something life-like. In this sense, is AI far away? It doesn't have to be necessarily.

It doesn't make sense to me personally why we need subjective experience, nor what it is in a physical sense. We can have agency and variability of choice without it, but at the same time we know how powerful it is in humans. Until we know exactly how it functions, i don't think anyone can claim with any certainty if it will happen, or how far away it is.

Re: What you wanted to know about AI

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post #15

There's some good comments about some new AI tools; it's a shame that the article's premise is a straw man. The fears of machine superintelligence are based on the belief that true AI is just around a corner. After all, we’re so advanced and the progress is only accelerating, it’s probably a few years away, at most. Analogously, public figures started warning us about climate change, so it must be just a few years be…

Agreed. If we are to worry about it, then we need to do it now, not when major corporations are 2 quarters away from mass producing said robots. By then the investment of those companies and governments would be too great to just suddenly terminate all the programs. Think about all the jobs lost, corporate lobbying, etc. It would be too late.

Re: What you wanted to know about AI

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A lot of respected AI researchers and practitioners are writing these "AIs are really stupid" articles to rebut superintelligence fearmongering in the popular press. That's a valuable service, and everything this article says is correct. Deepmind's Atari network is not going to kick off the singularity.

I worry that the flurry of articles like this, rational and well-reasoned all, will be seen as a "win" for the nothing-to-worry-about side of the argument and lead people to discount the entire issue. This article does a great job demonstrating the flaws in current AI techniques. It doesn't attempt to engage with the arguments of Stuart Russell, Nick Bostrom, Eliezer Yudkowsky, and others who are worried, not about current methods, but about what will happen when the time comes -- in ten, fifty, or a hundred years -- that AI does exceed general human intelligence. (refs: http://edge.org/conversation/the-myth-of-ai#26015, http://www.amazon.com/Superintelligence-Dangers-Strategies-N...)

This article rightly points out that advances like self-driving cars will have significant economic impact we'll need to deal with in the near future. That's not mutually exclusive with beginning to research ways to ensure that, as we start building more and more advanced systems, they are provably controllable and aligned with human values. These are two different problems to solve, on different timescales, both important and well worth the time and energy of smart people.

Re: What you wanted to know about AI

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Tldr: current AI capabilities are exaggerated by cherry-picked sample data and fear fueled by famous smart people is unwarranted. Do Any of those cited give specific timelines? Even if we are very far away, do you really doubt that one day machines will have superhuman intelligence? I take that as pretty much a given, whether it's 50 or 500 years from now. What I'm not so sure of is whether fear is an appropriate res…

I think you're anthropomorphising. It's not given that machine intelligence and (human) morality/ethics are intertwined. What if the AI mind/intelligence is of such a high level that it regards us like we do bacteria?

It's probably safer to engineer the AI in such a way that it is guaranteed to be friendly than to trust that it will turn out that way and do nothing. Even a naive hedonistic calculus is probably safer than assuming that (human) ethics will result from more intelligence.

Re: What you wanted to know about AI

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post #9

Human level AI seems to be a far reach but AI in specific domains seems to be the approaching intersection. What I mean by this is the self-driving car...very discrete skills but not any where near human level. Let's not forget google's "Find Mitten's the Cat" AI on videos.

Computers have always been very good at performing very specific tasks in highly proscribed circumstances. What were learning to do is expand the circumstances within which the computer can operate, but as you say the tasks are still very highly specific.

We could probably have programmed a computer to drive a car back in the 70s, within an extremely specific configuration of roads and with no traffic or pedestrians. Now self driving cars have very advanced sensors, can cope with other traffic, pedestrians and a much wider range of road geometries. But it's still only useful for driving a car, you couldn't take the same program and teach it to even controll a boat or a plane let alone play Jeopardy, predict the weather or trade on the stock market. Systems like this are going to be very useful, but they are not taking us on a path to develop strong general AI.

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