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Treeline (YC W15) Wants to Take the Coding Out of Building a Back End

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Re: Treeline (YC W15) Wants to Take the Coding Out of Building a Back End

#11

co-founder here if anyone has any questions

Can you handle apps with background tasks? In my experience, the backend systems basically end up being a large repository of jobs that need to get backgrounded, and handed off to other systems.

I would be even more excited if you could find some way to create and manage those effectively.

Re: Treeline (YC W15) Wants to Take the Coding Out of Building a Back End

#12

I've always thought building a web service is the easy bit. In my experience, back end systems fit more closely with a conceptual model than the front end. As soon as things get to the user interface, you have to deal with real world problems, unexpected workflows, interactions, user expectations, variety of platform specifics, etc. To me, UI implementation seems so much harder.

We're essentially in agreement--backend development should be the easy part, but it often ends up being needlessly complicated and broken. So many backend systems are made up of the same basic components, but they end up being rewritten all the time because they don't work well together or are poorly documented. Treeline aims to make that 80% of your app that's always the same and basically automate it for you, leavi…

I laud the effort of making it easier to build apps, but in my experience the backend stuff is mostly building the rest api and cron jobs, which are relatively straightforward. Imho, bulk of the complexity is in user interfaces with lots of moving parts.

Re: Treeline (YC W15) Wants to Take the Coding Out of Building a Back End

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're essentially in agreement--backend development should be the easy part, but it often ends up being needlessly complicated and broken. So many backend systems are made up of the same basic components, but they end up being rewritten all the time because they don't work well together or are poorly documented. Treeline aims to make that 80% of your app that's always the same and basically automate it for you, leavi…

I laud the effort of making it easier to build apps, but in my experience the backend stuff is mostly building the rest api and cron jobs, which are relatively straightforward. Imho, bulk of the complexity is in user interfaces with lots of moving parts.

You're absolutely right. Which is why we should make the backend even easier :)

Re: Treeline (YC W15) Wants to Take the Coding Out of Building a Back End

#14

co-founder here if anyone has any questions

Can you handle apps with background tasks? In my experience, the backend systems basically end up being a large repository of jobs that need to get backgrounded, and handed off to other systems. I would be even more excited if you could find some way to create and manage those effectively.

Machines can be triggered via kue, cron, or any other process of your choice (since they're effectively just augmented JavaScript functions)

Re: Treeline (YC W15) Wants to Take the Coding Out of Building a Back End

#15
I think this service should have one-click deploy to other Node.js platforms, at least Heroku, Beanstalk and Bluemix. I have a feeling that their concept would be most useful on ipad/mobile. But for that to be useful there needs to be very easy deployment options that work with my hosting of choice.

I mean, imagine finding a bug, being able to fix it on your phone, and deploying it immediately. If it works that way, I'm sold.

Also, if this is aimed towards frontend devs primarily, then it should be noted that it is unlikely that a frontend dev would struggle with writing JS on Node. They are more likely to dislike the deployment.

Re: Treeline (YC W15) Wants to Take the Coding Out of Building a Back End

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're essentially in agreement--backend development should be the easy part, but it often ends up being needlessly complicated and broken. So many backend systems are made up of the same basic components, but they end up being rewritten all the time because they don't work well together or are poorly documented. Treeline aims to make that 80% of your app that's always the same and basically automate it for you, leavi…

I laud the effort of making it easier to build apps, but in my experience the backend stuff is mostly building the rest api and cron jobs, which are relatively straightforward. Imho, bulk of the complexity is in user interfaces with lots of moving parts.

Reading this, I am curious about the systems you've dealt with? If you are talking the back end basically being crud apps, sure, but most services, the bulk of the work is behind the scenese (rest apiece, etc)

Re: Treeline (YC W15) Wants to Take the Coding Out of Building a Back End

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post #15

I think this service should have one-click deploy to other Node.js platforms, at least Heroku, Beanstalk and Bluemix. I have a feeling that their concept would be most useful on ipad/mobile. But for that to be useful there needs to be very easy deployment options that work with my hosting of choice. I mean, imagine finding a bug, being able to fix it on your phone, and deploying it immediately. If it works that way,…

The one-click deploy to heroku button is in the works.

Re: Treeline (YC W15) Wants to Take the Coding Out of Building a Back End

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post #15

I think this service should have one-click deploy to other Node.js platforms, at least Heroku, Beanstalk and Bluemix. I have a feeling that their concept would be most useful on ipad/mobile. But for that to be useful there needs to be very easy deployment options that work with my hosting of choice. I mean, imagine finding a bug, being able to fix it on your phone, and deploying it immediately. If it works that way,…

> They are more likely to dislike the deployment.

Deployment is the worst, for everybody. We're definitely excited about the possibilities there--done right, you could wire up your app in Treeline and set it live without your feet ever touching the ground (or muck, as it were.)

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