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If you have startup stock options, check your option plan

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Re: If you have startup stock options, check your option plan

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I read a lot about how employees get screwed over with stock options, so what we decided to do was to just give employees vesting stock straight up as a buy through.

Basically the way this works is that we give new employees an up front lump sum in the amount of how much it costs to purchase the shares of the company. The employee then purchases those shares from us in line with a vesting agreement. All warrants and conversions are exactly the same as the founders shares.

This means that they pay tax on this purchase as regular income rather than capital gains up front with the money we give them for it. This prevents a heavy tax bill at conversion and allows them to retain their vested shares regardless of if they work for us or not after the first 12 month vesting period.

We calculated that the up front taxes are magnitudes cheaper in the long run because the increased valuation will cover those differences handily and there is no waiting period like there is with capital gains tax.

In the end though our intention was to make a simple way for our employees to actually own the stock we give them as compensation and it not be something that they can lose or be restructured easily. If a VC or acquisition wanted to restructure that away for employees then they would be forced to restructure everyone's, so we are all in.

Re: If you have startup stock options, check your option plan

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post #9

Why worry about stock options at all? There is a spectrum of outcomes. On one end the startup flops, or is bought for so little that your share, even if paid out, is close to 0. On the other end you have Google, Facebook, Instagram, etc. Companies where 0.5% is worth quite a bit of money. The problem is that the majority fall in-between, where your stock options will be worth nothing, yet the company will sell for a…

> buy them as early as you can,

Careful on this one - when you buy, it's a taxable event. The spread between what the IRS thinks the company is worth and what you paid is taxable. You have to pay that NOW.

I've known people that were screwed on this - strike price was around 1, value by IRS was 8 (based on funding rounds). By the time the person could sell the stock, it as worth .013. Fun!

Re: If you have startup stock options, check your option plan

#13

Do you know what I call a 1%/4-year vestment "equity" plan? I call that an ESPP (employee stock purchase plan) by another name, with inflated valuations due to startup hype. Why would anybody agree to that? At least insist the first half percent vest proportionally over the first year with each paycheck.

The standard Silicon Valley employee stock option plan is X number of shares vested over 4 years, with the first 25% vesting all at once after 12 months, and the remaining 75% vesting in even installments once per month over the remaining 36 months. This has been the standard for decades.

If you can arrange something more advantageous, by all means do it, but I think you're going to have a hard time negotiating away the cliff. Having the cliff ensures that employee has proved herself before getting a stake in the company, which most investors and founders believe is important.

Re: If you have startup stock options, check your option plan

#14
Is there any generally reasonable 101 on how to do equity/share/stock-option in an early stage start-up? Tried to google for it and never found any general guidance for that.

If you're paying a full salary/benefit for them, the options etc is really just trying to keep them from jumping around? I'm open to all ideas but would like to find some common/typical silicon valley way to do this for startups.

Re: If you have startup stock options, check your option plan

#15
If you work at a startup and options stuff is not transparent -- valuation, vesting schedule, terms, etc., you should be quite worried.

Founders often end up in a situation where there is significant dilution and as the hockey stick changes into a slightly different shape they know that nobody's options are worth anything.

Founders with integrity will acknowledge this and make adjustments. Those without integrity pretend it isn't true and create a culture of secrecy around options grants/terms.'

Edit: You should also be able to do the math on what your options are worth fairly easily as funding rounds approach and valuations occur.

Re: If you have startup stock options, check your option plan

#16
It would be a pretty rare company that is willing to revise their stock option plan in response to a request from a potential employee. They'd have to take the request to their board for approval, then also get a vote of the stockholders, and would have to pay the lawyers to revise the documents. Just an administrative headache regardless of the legitimacy of the request and probably not a great way to start off the relationship with your future employer.

Re: If you have startup stock options, check your option plan

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Do you know what I call a 1%/4-year vestment "equity" plan? I call that an ESPP (employee stock purchase plan) by another name, with inflated valuations due to startup hype. Why would anybody agree to that? At least insist the first half percent vest proportionally over the first year with each paycheck.

The standard Silicon Valley employee stock option plan is X number of shares vested over 4 years, with the first 25% vesting all at once after 12 months, and the remaining 75% vesting in even installments once per month over the remaining 36 months. This has been the standard for decades. If you can arrange something more advantageous, by all means do it, but I think you're going to have a hard time negotiating away…

The cliff just creates artificial scarcity from what I've seen. When an employee is let go before 1 year, or quits because it isn't a good fit, I've always seen the company give what they would have vested in anyway (leave at 10 months? Get 10 months worth of vesting). It's really just the right thing to do, since they put work into your company.

Re: If you have startup stock options, check your option plan

#18
This is why I never take equity. It's just a way to dangle a carrot in front of an employee to make them think they will get a big pay day. Many times, the employee doesn't want to quit because this pay day is seemingly right around the corner.

My previous employer gave me stock options on top of my salary. I never really cared about the stock options too much. A few months ago, I found out the owner created a new LLC (and moved the company to this new LLC) essentially making my options worthless overnight.

I would rather get paid my true market value.

Re: If you have startup stock options, check your option plan

#19
post #9

Why worry about stock options at all? There is a spectrum of outcomes. On one end the startup flops, or is bought for so little that your share, even if paid out, is close to 0. On the other end you have Google, Facebook, Instagram, etc. Companies where 0.5% is worth quite a bit of money. The problem is that the majority fall in-between, where your stock options will be worth nothing, yet the company will sell for a…

> buy them as early as you can, Careful on this one - when you buy, it's a taxable event. The spread between what the IRS thinks the company is worth and what you paid is taxable. You have to pay that NOW. I've known people that were screwed on this - strike price was around 1, value by IRS was 8 (based on funding rounds). By the time the person could sell the stock, it as worth .013. Fun!

IANAA (I am not an accountant)--

This is not true, or not necessarily. It's calculated for AMT, so if you're already paying AMT, or would be paying AMT with the addition of this income, then yes: You'll be paying that tax now. This is true for many in California with the high state taxes and a relatively high gross income (versus national averages).

However, if the intrinsic value portion of your exercise (i.e. fair market value minus your strike price) as an addition to your AMT worksheet does not indicate you'll owe AMT for the year, then you will NOT see a tax event. This will be true for many non-Californians exercising after their first year, or even after 4 years, depending on the growth of the fair-market-value.

If you are at risk of paying AMT and your intrinsic value is in the low 6-figures (or lower), one solution might be to wait until the beginning of a new tax year, exercise, and quit your job... then take a year off from wages and work for equity (i.e. form your own startup). You'll avoid paying the 26% on that money due at exercise. If you've been paying AMT in the past, you'll even get a tax credit at the end of the year. Obviously, this plan is not without risks, should only be carried-out if you believe in solid growth in the startup for which you own equity and believe in the ability of the new startup you're founding and/or joining. Also, and obviously, you should consult with an actual accountant before considering this crazy idea ;-)

Re: If you have startup stock options, check your option plan

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Do you know what I call a 1%/4-year vestment "equity" plan? I call that an ESPP (employee stock purchase plan) by another name, with inflated valuations due to startup hype. Why would anybody agree to that? At least insist the first half percent vest proportionally over the first year with each paycheck.

The standard Silicon Valley employee stock option plan is X number of shares vested over 4 years, with the first 25% vesting all at once after 12 months, and the remaining 75% vesting in even installments once per month over the remaining 36 months. This has been the standard for decades. If you can arrange something more advantageous, by all means do it, but I think you're going to have a hard time negotiating away…

That may be standard, but it's entirely not in the interests of any employee to play the game. The founders' and investors' beliefs regarding "skin in the game" are missing one key component: the reduced salary one takes at a startup. That reduced salary is skin in the game, as is the acceptance of risk by agreeing be compensated in equity in the first place.

I don't object to 4-year vesting. I don't object to cliffs, either, per se. But I wouldn't consider being treated that way for such a tiny stake as 1%.

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