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Dropbox Is Probably Not Stealing Your Files

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Re: Dropbox Is Probably Not Stealing Your Files

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Surely tradition requires that the title of this piece be "Is Dropbox stealing your files?". I mean, it's a complete waste of a Betteridge event.

Ha, I always wondered if there was a name for this (but obviously also never bothered to Google).

> Betteridge's law of headlines is an adage that states: "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no." It is named after Ian Betteridge, a British technology journalist

Re: Dropbox Is Probably Not Stealing Your Files

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Well, dropbox could just listen for fs events inside the DropBox folder; and it should, from a performance perspective as well as from a privacy point of view. And then "sends a few 100 kByte"? I hope this is a typo; if not, I would like to know what these are. (also: the OP's largish file (1MB) could easily fit into "a few 100kByte" after compression)

Actually, it cannot for the shell extension for the checkboxes over synced files. It needs to look at every file seen with Explorer to do that.

Re: Dropbox Is Probably Not Stealing Your Files

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post #8

Pure speculation follows. I wonder if they could be calculating hashes of files and sending them off? That would be useful for automated exfiltration and targeting. For example: 1. Calculate the SHA-256 hashes for files in places of interest. 2. Report the hashes upstream. 3. Hey, this file matches one that the FBI/NSA is looking for via NSL. 4. Download more stuff. Also identify the person and their location. 5. Sen…

To calculate the hash, it needs to read the whole file, which this post claims it isn't doing.

Did the author actually verify this with strace (or the mac/windows equivalent)?

It sounds like he guessed this based on I/O activity of the process. It could be enough to hash the beginning of the files, and compare the rest if a match is found in the database.

Re: Dropbox Is Probably Not Stealing Your Files

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post #8

Pure speculation follows. I wonder if they could be calculating hashes of files and sending them off? That would be useful for automated exfiltration and targeting. For example: 1. Calculate the SHA-256 hashes for files in places of interest. 2. Report the hashes upstream. 3. Hey, this file matches one that the FBI/NSA is looking for via NSL. 4. Download more stuff. Also identify the person and their location. 5. Sen…

To calculate the hash, it needs to read the whole file, which this post claims it isn't doing.

Not really, one could get a unique enough hash by reading the first lets say 10,000 bytes of each file, and it would be faster than hashing the whole file

edit: here i was bored enough > http://pastebin.com/NJEvnG1d

Re: Dropbox Is Probably Not Stealing Your Files

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post #3

Pure speculation follows. I wonder if they could be calculating hashes of files and sending them off? That would be useful for automated exfiltration and targeting. For example: 1. Calculate the SHA-256 hashes for files in places of interest. 2. Report the hashes upstream. 3. Hey, this file matches one that the FBI/NSA is looking for via NSL. 4. Download more stuff. Also identify the person and their location. 5. Sen…

Why would a TLA look for a file with a known (hashable) content? Is that common? Is that to be seen as looking for "contraband", i.e. if you have a certain file, for instance some known part of a rookit, you might be an evil attacking hacker? I don't quite follow. Also, the typo "Drobpox" was fun, that's a good alias when feeling suspicious. :)

Tracking spread of leaked documents?

Re: Dropbox Is Probably Not Stealing Your Files

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post #15
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a TLA look for a file with a known (hashable) content? Is that common? Is that to be seen as looking for "contraband", i.e. if you have a certain file, for instance some known part of a rookit, you might be an evil attacking hacker? I don't quite follow. Also, the typo "Drobpox" was fun, that's a good alias when feeling suspicious. :)

Tracking spread of leaked documents?

Or things like child pornography. It isn't all about state secrets, y'know.

Re: Dropbox Is Probably Not Stealing Your Files

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post #4

This is a fine post, but all I can think about this situation is "or, you could just reverse the Dropbox client and find out for sure". Speculation about Dropbox stealing files seems premised on the idea that you can't know what the client is doing. But that's not even close to true. People reverse much, much harder targets than Dropbox for fun. If any version of Dropbox published to its user base ever did anything l…

I would be very surprised if a workplace name like Dropbox has never been reverse engineered by a bored hacker on a lazy weekend.

Surprised and disappointed.

Re: Dropbox Is Probably Not Stealing Your Files

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" 1 - Create a large-ish file (1MB) outside of the Dropbox folder

2 - Monitor the network usage of the Dropbox application to see if it sends enough data that it could be that file

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I can not really say if Dropbox steals them or not. But if i were a Dropbox engineer and want to know about those newly created files, i wouldn't want to send the whole file to server at all.

- Send file name with its extension

- Send file size

Compare these to dropbox's blacklist file (imagination only) in another server. If there are any matches, mark user as "whateveryouwant"

As long as there is a network activity when a new file created, it is and will always be suspicious to its users.

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