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Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#11
I've been through some of this myself, and have several friends who've gone through it as well.

I cannot recommend finding a good cognitive-behavioural therapist enough. Cognitive behavioural therapy with a good therapist actually helps; I've seen it with other people and myself.

Outside of that, personally I've that while external validation like you're trying can be nice, it doesn't always fight off intrinsic issues. For short term things, I've found going back to things I know I enjoy or used to enjoy helpful--finding friends I haven't hung out with in a while, or a videogame I know I like to play, or a favourite TV show, or a personal project I used to care about. I usually don't want to do these things before I start, but find they're easier to get back into than I expect.

This can be really tough, and I'm sorry you're going through it. But it is something you can get through!

But please find a good therapist (who lists cognitive behavioural therapy as something they specialize in)! And if the first person you find isn't someone you like, try another. I promise there are wonderful ones out there!

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#13
I think you should get help. You either have health insurance now, or you qualify for a lot of government help. Almost everywhere in America now has some kind of mental health intervention. Please, go and look. Do not assume that you won't be able to afford it. Most clinics won't turn you away for that reason anyway.

Your depression is like an adversary, trying to kill you, and it is feeding you wrong thoughts. Some of them are obvious, depriving meaning from meaningful things, and some of them are not obvious, like the idea that you cannot get help for one reason or another. But it's just another tactic for your adversary.

I would guess that you need some friends. Having a "support network" is important. If you had one, you wouldn't be reaching out to strangers on HN. But, look at it this way—I haven't logged in to leave a comment in a year and a half, and I did for you. And you have two other people leaving comments, so clearly you are interesting enough to make some friends. So I would recommend you try and do that.

The rest of my advice is probably useless, but I'll say it anyway.

Sometimes when I get depressed I fantasize about going somewhere remote and just living in a cabin or something. I'm sure I'd be awful at it, but you know, if your alternative is killing yourself, you might as well try it. At least that way you can die of something exotic. Would you rather die because you were trying something dangerous in the hopes of enjoying it, or because you decided to call it quits early? Have you tried freighthopping? If you're going to kill yourself, you might as well get a free trip or two out of it. You might as well go down to the dangerous part of town and get into a fight. You might as well, I dunno, get an awful job like helping people move that pays rather well and blow it all on something frivolous.

I dunno. I suffer from depression myself but haven't been suicidal in a long time. The thing is that it's a disease, and treating your mood is treating the symptom. You probably need medication and counseling to treat the disease. But for me, a major turning point was regarding the negative thoughts as something adversarial, a manifestation of the disease, rather than just "truth." Another thing that helped me was that I had the faith that if I did kill myself, I would be depriving someone of their soulmate. Corny. But it's the truth, it helped me a lot. And now I know I was right to have faith in that.

I don't know. This probably isn't constructive. Try lots of things and talk to lots of people about it. Don't give up.

Oh, and get some sunlight (or vitamin D). And avoid street drugs. Ecstasy in particular can cause this.

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#15

Call this number right now. Right now. 1 (800) 273-8255

I will not be calling any strange number until I've found a way to make truly anonymous phone calls (e.g. something in the realm of RedPhone + onion routing like Tor).

Isn't it weird to care about that at a time like this?

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#16
From what you say, it's totally understandable that you would at times feel anxious and depressed. There's nothing wrong with that. It's normal. However, there's a risk of getting stuck in a downward spiral. At some unpredictable point, you might find yourself in an upward spiral. But that can't happen if you commit suicide.

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#17
Without going into detail, I can definitely relate to how you feel now and in the past.

I really don't think anyone is going to come up with your own personal reason for living. In the simplest biological terms, our purpose is to survive long enough to procreate or pass on our genetic information. Beyond that, it's up to you!

You'd be surprised at what sort of free and low-cost mental health assistance is available in some cities in the USA. Within the last 5 years, there's a lot more awareness and money being spent on mental health care. Google for "low cost mental health care" in your area before you've written off professional health. If you do get a prescription, try to find a professional therapist who's also willing to do non-prescription services (such as CBT/cognitive based therapy).

I personally think diet and exercise (weightlifting, walking, yoga, dancing, swimming, roller-skating, biking, running, etc.) has helped my mental health immensely. There is something about the chemical cocktail from exercise that has been a real life saver for me and for many others (anecdotal and measured scientifically).

On the other side of the scale, I think technology like computers and smartphones haven't helped my mental health in any beneficial way. I remember people being more personally connected before Facebook, Twitter and all of the rest of the "social networks". I doesn't really feel like our brains are optimized for spending 8+ hours a day in front of a computer screen. 20 years ago I remember telling people I was a programmer and spent most of the day in front of a computer screen. Now it seems like most jobs are in front of a computer of some sort. I fear for the future generations who won't have the ability to disconnect from technology in the way I did as a kid and a young man.

Good luck friend.

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#18
Hey, I was sad to hear how you feel, but really glad you said something.

I've been feeling pretty down, too. In the past there were times I felt so bad that the main thing stopping me from hurting or killing myself was that I couldn't bear to hurt my parents. They're great people, who already suffered the loss of their other child, through no fault of theirs.

But I know from experience that it can turn around very quickly. There have been times when my life has gone from hopeless to better than I ever imagined it could be, and I was really happy, and every day was an adventure.

It happened before, and I'm trying every day to make it happen again. The pain I've been going through will have been converted to subtley, and depth of character, and strength, and fuel for humor, and the problems I have now will seem small. Just don't give up! We only find the answers when we're still looking for answers.

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will not be calling any strange number until I've found a way to make truly anonymous phone calls (e.g. something in the realm of RedPhone + onion routing like Tor).

Isn't it weird to care about that at a time like this?

It's fairly reasonable to care about privacy when it comes to sensitive topics like this. Maybe the OP isn't ready for people to know his identity yet.

Re: Ask HN: Why keep living?

#20

Please seek a mental health professional/suicide hotline/tell a family member/tell a friend/move somewhere you feel better/do anything to get out of this state. That said, there are many good reasons to stay alive: love, pleasure, personal connections, contentment, spirituality. You may not have any of these now, but you must acknowledge the possibility that they will happen for you in the future. Even people in the…

""" ... a mental health professional ... """ I'm afraid that I can't afford that option financially. I probably won't be able to in the immediate future (next 5 years), either.

Without knowing your locale, it's tough to give you specific direction, but it's likely the county/city/state has a way to provide these services. You know what? I live in a state that has closed most of its mental hospitals, refused the Medicaid expansion, etc., but these services are still available to anyone who requests intake. The hardest part is finding the agency to contact.

If this is keeping you from working, you're disabled at least temporarily. If you have work credits, claim SSDI.

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