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China Estimates Largest Capital Outflow in More Than a Decade in 2014

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"Mr. Tao informed the audience that the capital flight from China in December alone amounted to $20 billion, and that was just from official channels. The true amount could be four times greater." So this bureaucrat just committed career suicide by admitting this.

Where did you read that? Are you responding to a different article?

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I smell bubble. Canada is one of the last-men-standing as far as housing bubbles. Toronto is also bad. Calgary is heading for trouble now that oil has crashed. It could get interesting.

Australia and Canada are very similar. Both continued with a housing bubble well after all other Western markets collapsed. Both also supplied the raw materials that fuel China's economy; an economy that didn't slow down very much while the rest of the West suffered. But now they're clearly takings some of the heat out of their economy. Australia and Canada will feel that.

Or maybe as China slows more Chinese people will flee China, pushing yet more money into the can/au housing markets.

The Chinese people I talk to in my neighbourhood all talk of Canada and Australia as more "stable" than the UK, China or the US. I'm not surprised. If all you have to go on are news reports, the US and UK don't come off well.

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China's bubble has already burst. Their real estate market will continue to fall indefinitely. Their record debt accumulation will continue until they burst at the seams, while they try to keep the fake growth going. Australia will trend down with China's weakening demand for resources. They're directly pegged to China's well being. Canada will trend down (or up) with oil. If oil is $30-$60, Canada will have to tight…

The typical vancouverite response (annoying) is "oh but our prices will never fall, we live on the best god damn city in the planet, just look at all this foreign demand for our real estate, we are in a bubble you say, you eggheads have been crying about it for the past 15 years and look it hasn't happened so it never will, this time it's different " "this time it's different" - japanese real estate bubble. "we are i…

And how's the weather where you are?

I took my dog to the dog beach this morning. Sunny and 12* ABOVE. We had one day of snow this year. And the "wet coast" is really a myth. Seattle gets rain, but Vancouver is tucked behind Vancouver Island and is much drier.

In all seriousness, the real estate market is driven by people with money, the investor class. They are older and do not necessarily work, or they work internationally and can park their families anywhere they want. So Vancouver, being Canadian but without Canadian winters, is something different. I think Toronto will burst long before Vancouver.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

China's bubble has already burst. Their real estate market will continue to fall indefinitely. Their record debt accumulation will continue until they burst at the seams, while they try to keep the fake growth going. Australia will trend down with China's weakening demand for resources. They're directly pegged to China's well being. Canada will trend down (or up) with oil. If oil is $30-$60, Canada will have to tight…

The typical vancouverite response (annoying) is "oh but our prices will never fall, we live on the best god damn city in the planet, just look at all this foreign demand for our real estate, we are in a bubble you say, you eggheads have been crying about it for the past 15 years and look it hasn't happened so it never will, this time it's different " "this time it's different" - japanese real estate bubble. "we are i…

Yup. This is why we moved away. When you go to an open house and every single person there except you is speaking only Mandarin, including the agents, then you know your time is done.

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So what? Of course China's capital outflows were huge in 2014 - so was its current account surplus. When China takes in huge amounts of foreign currency for its exports it must recycle those funds - which flow out of the country - particularly if it insists on intervening in the value of its currency (keeping it from increasing and therefore subsidizing exports). So, huge capital outflows for China doesn't necessarily mean a China-driven housing or asset bubble. It does mean the European Central Bank and Federal Reserve should have no problem continuing to sell paper.

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This a problem in first tier cities even in the US. It's not only the IPO crowd driving up prices in SF, NYC, etc. But these foreign investors --the IPO people get the flack from displaced communities, but foreign investment contributes its own good share of this new housing shortage... It's begun to affect second tier cities like Minneapolis, Austin, etc.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia and Canada are very similar. Both continued with a housing bubble well after all other Western markets collapsed. Both also supplied the raw materials that fuel China's economy; an economy that didn't slow down very much while the rest of the West suffered. But now they're clearly takings some of the heat out of their economy. Australia and Canada will feel that.

but just when will this bubble burst and are there any metrics or signs we can find that have suggested the bursting of subprime mortgage debts in 2008?

If you're referring to a housing bubble, keep an eye on real estate stats, but not the ones the real estate folks release (because they always put it in the best light).

In Canada, units for sales have already tripled in Calgary, while actual sales have decreased. Housing prices have dropped 5%.

It might be the start or it might take longer, but it will happen.

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#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China's bubble has already burst. Their real estate market will continue to fall indefinitely. Their record debt accumulation will continue until they burst at the seams, while they try to keep the fake growth going. Australia will trend down with China's weakening demand for resources. They're directly pegged to China's well being. Canada will trend down (or up) with oil. If oil is $30-$60, Canada will have to tight…

The typical vancouverite response (annoying) is "oh but our prices will never fall, we live on the best god damn city in the planet, just look at all this foreign demand for our real estate, we are in a bubble you say, you eggheads have been crying about it for the past 15 years and look it hasn't happened so it never will, this time it's different " "this time it's different" - japanese real estate bubble. "we are i…

No one seriously says prices will never fall. People are just get tired of aimless remarks. You can repetitively tell a person he will eventually die, one day - but does that make any sense?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

but just when will this bubble burst and are there any metrics or signs we can find that have suggested the bursting of subprime mortgage debts in 2008?

China's bubble has already burst. Their real estate market will continue to fall indefinitely. Their record debt accumulation will continue until they burst at the seams, while they try to keep the fake growth going. Australia will trend down with China's weakening demand for resources. They're directly pegged to China's well being. Canada will trend down (or up) with oil. If oil is $30-$60, Canada will have to tight…

How is the US faring? Are we as linked to China's bubble?
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