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Re: Peace.facebook.com

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The funny thing about this is that Facebook leads to the exact opposite of peace among groups of people. There's massive amounts of social anxiety associated with your virtual prominence amongst your friends, even if you see them in-person on a regular basis. Since I've quit using Facebook, etc I have noticed a massive improvement in the quality of my interactions with friends. They actually bother asking how I'm doi…

I get the opposite reaction. I talk to people I'd never talk to otherwise. It doesn't hurt that I unfriend people I don't like talking to that much.

The problem is that Facebook is a constant communication. When you interact with people after talking to them on Facebook, there's less to talk about, because it's already been said. If you consider Facebook to be a part of interaction, as I do, the net conversation swells; if not, it shrinks.

> I'm actually convinced that this global obsession with social networks could lead to more wars than peace -- the current generation of Internet trolls seem like a mere precursor of what's to come. People really take this virtual shit seriously -- doesn't that seem just the slightest bit scary, when coupled with natural youthful aggression?

Yes and no. The good thing about the Internet is that to take it seriously, you have to make the choice yourself. It's not like a war, in which nationalism can sweep a lot of good people into doing bad things. Rather, it's a bunch of smaller, decentralized, isolated incidents, and I like that. The more isolationist (not isolated) the world is, the healthier it is. If a thousand nutjobs kill a thousand people over Internet bullshit, that's a lot healthier than that thousand nutjobs congregating over political/religious/economic bullshit and attempting to kill a lot more. There'll be more incidents, in other words, but each one will be vastly less harmful.

Re: Peace.facebook.com

#12
post #8

Isn't it also possible that facebook could be used for the promotion of hate? An obvious and outstanding recent example was the recent quiz about whether the U.S. president should be killed. If you read about the balkans, (and more recently iraq) what is shocking is how quickly cultures with cross-ethnic/religous connections - even those as strong as intermarriage can quickly become polarized into bitter enemies. Whi…

Looking at it from a broader perspective, Facebook is the promotion of communication manifest. It strives very hard, in fact, to be a neutral medium, in which no one type of conversation is favored over another, so conversation ranges from flirting to intense debate.

The question is, does prolonged communication lead to more peace or more hate? My bet: In the short term, more hate, because there'll be a lot of people getting in fights over issues they didn't know existed. (I lost a lot of Palin-supporting friends last year.) In the long run, however, more open communication leads to us understanding each other better, and only good can come of that.

Re: Peace.facebook.com

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In other facebook news everyone in my freshman level class spends the whole lecture on facebook on their computer and is very surprising to me that the teacher doesnt ban computers from the classroom. ( When I started 2 years ago no one even pulled out computers during lectures unless they were at the back of the room. ) Maybe facebook is planning world peace through extended computer use.

Maybe they were doing puzzles in the newspaper instead and it was harder to notice. Computers are just a more visible mode of distraction.

Okay sure a few people did crosswords but I'm talking like 50 percent of the students having their computers out on facebook and playing dumb facebook games. It is distracting to me who ends up sitting in the middle of the class cause my other class is across campus and ends late and having a bunch of flashing computers in front of me.

Makes me glad I'm in engineering where people need to focus, it doesn't help that this freshman level class enforces attendance either cause these people probably wouldn't even be showing up.

Re: Peace.facebook.com

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Do they actually have a "theory of peace" that they are using to design the site, or are they just posting statistics?

edit: Here's my take. "War is a failure of the imagination." Once you understand that quote, you've just 'gotten' about half of history.

Re: Peace.facebook.com

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Do they actually have a "theory of peace" that they are using to design the site, or are they just posting statistics? edit: Here's my take. "War is a failure of the imagination." Once you understand that quote, you've just 'gotten' about half of history.

Less a theory and more an observation.

Re: Peace.facebook.com

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Isn't it also possible that facebook could be used for the promotion of hate? An obvious and outstanding recent example was the recent quiz about whether the U.S. president should be killed. If you read about the balkans, (and more recently iraq) what is shocking is how quickly cultures with cross-ethnic/religous connections - even those as strong as intermarriage can quickly become polarized into bitter enemies. Whi…

Looking at it from a broader perspective, Facebook is the promotion of communication manifest. It strives very hard, in fact, to be a neutral medium, in which no one type of conversation is favored over another, so conversation ranges from flirting to intense debate. The question is, does prolonged communication lead to more peace or more hate? My bet: In the short term, more hate, because there'll be a lot of people…

Yeah I agree - without any evidence I would expect it to be neutral. But I think that there is a pretty well documented tendency for people to be much more aggressive and extreme on online forums than there are in real life. (Similar to road rage) Back in the day I remember reading littlegreenfootballs and being shocked at some of the hateful rhetoric which was in the comments (of course left leaning sites have this too)

Re: Peace.facebook.com

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Looking at it from a broader perspective, Facebook is the promotion of communication manifest. It strives very hard, in fact, to be a neutral medium, in which no one type of conversation is favored over another, so conversation ranges from flirting to intense debate. The question is, does prolonged communication lead to more peace or more hate? My bet: In the short term, more hate, because there'll be a lot of people…

Yeah I agree - without any evidence I would expect it to be neutral. But I think that there is a pretty well documented tendency for people to be much more aggressive and extreme on online forums than there are in real life. (Similar to road rage) Back in the day I remember reading littlegreenfootballs and being shocked at some of the hateful rhetoric which was in the comments (of course left leaning sites have this…

That's what I mean by short-term rage. As much as you think people accept you for who you are and what you think, when you express yourself online you realize that most people are awful and immature in a handful of ways. But past that point you develop some self-consciousness and, more often than not, come out of the social parts of the Internet a lot smarter, wittier, and more savvy than you used to be. I can't wait to see that happen on a mass scale.

Re: Peace.facebook.com

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I'd rather see a campaign for equality. That's not so bland and gets more to the heart of the matter.

Define equality. There're a lot of versions of the word that I don't support. Peace, now, there's an idea I can get behind, impossible as it might seem.

Re: Peace.facebook.com

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I'd rather see a campaign for equality. That's not so bland and gets more to the heart of the matter.

Define equality. There're a lot of versions of the word that I don't support. Peace, now, there's an idea I can get behind, impossible as it might seem.

Equal in rights and opportunity, ok? I'm not proposing the kind of enforced universal mediocrity that I know you hacker news ubermensch are paranoid of. Of course everyone wants peace. The oppressed want a peace that is an end to injustice. The oppressor wants a peace where the oppressed will just shut up and take it.
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