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The Stanford Undergraduate and the Mentor

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Re: The Stanford Undergraduate and the Mentor

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As a tangent, I was appalled to read that Stanford undergrads can major in "management science". What happened to the high academic standards for which Stanford is famous?

Management Science & Engineering is a major that broadly tracks Operations Research at other schools - it's a mixture of statistics, business, finance, and optimization engineering. Stanford has no business undergrad major, so it's often a popular choice for those who want to try something different than Economics.

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As a 29 year old male myself, the of idea of dating a college undergraduate is just plain weird... particularly in this case, where there is such an obvious power imbalance. The outcome (though perhaps not the severity) should have been apparent from the get go.

People who are wealthy or extremely good looking have more options than us. If I were rich enough to realistically date young models then it might not be plain weird anymore.

Look at Patrick Stewart. How many 70 year olds would marry a woman in their 30s if they actually could?

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As a 29 year old male myself, the of idea of dating a college undergraduate is just plain weird... particularly in this case, where there is such an obvious power imbalance. The outcome (though perhaps not the severity) should have been apparent from the get go.

> such an obvious power imbalance

you're implying that love is based on rational thought in the first place

Re: The Stanford Undergraduate and the Mentor

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Nice way of writing the article -- the narrative in the first half makes us believe Clougherty's side, while the second half shows the other side of the story.

The author paints the therapist, Keith Saylor, in a really bad light imo. The whole piece flips so hard at that moment. The relationship seems mostly positive and normal, seemingly with evidence. Things get rocky then a therapist quickly encourages and hard reinforces an much different and extremely negative picture. It almost feels unethical to reinforce such a tale without a police investigation. Couple this with the recent NYTimes article about fabricated memories and therapist could make anyone honestly believe anything they wanted to. That's scary.

Re: The Stanford Undergraduate and the Mentor

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Steve Jobs met Laurene in a very similar fashion. Everyone knows that. He saw her during a class visit, and invited her out (although she was a graduate student).

Upon reading the emails from the plaintiff and her mother available at http://joelonsdalestatement.com/ , one gets the general impression that they were trying to throw themselves to JL.

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As a 29 year old male myself, the of idea of dating a college undergraduate is just plain weird... particularly in this case, where there is such an obvious power imbalance. The outcome (though perhaps not the severity) should have been apparent from the get go.

I'm 33 and I can count on one hand the number of 26+ women I've dated in the past year (they all turned out to be married - perils of dating in India). The vast majority have been in college, the rest on their first job.

None of them have gone crazy like in this story and this outcome is hardly apparent. Most are nice women that I'm still friends with. Maybe it's more common in the American college scene - there certainly seems to be a moral panic going on there. If you take a lesson from this, it's probably closer to "avoid American women" than "avoid younger women".

As for whether it's "weird", it depends on how you look at things. A lot of folks are fairly restrictive in the categories of people they interact with - I know several people who can only deal with very intellectual sorts, for example. E.g., they'd never date an anti-intellectual type (religious, feminist, etc), an unintellectual woman who seeks to enjoy life, a woman of a different socioeconomic background or even a woman at a different stage of life.

I don't view things so restrictively so I can enjoy the company of all sorts of people. Then again I'm also pretty weird so for me being super restrictive might simply result in being forever alone.

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As a 29 year old male myself, the of idea of dating a college undergraduate is just plain weird... particularly in this case, where there is such an obvious power imbalance. The outcome (though perhaps not the severity) should have been apparent from the get go.

People who are wealthy or extremely good looking have more options than us. If I were rich enough to realistically date young models then it might not be plain weird anymore. Look at Patrick Stewart. How many 70 year olds would marry a woman in their 30s if they actually could?

What do you mean by, `than us'? Confront it, people working in the software industry are generally wealthier than the average Joe. We do have more options. (Of course, there's always a bigger fish.)

Re: The Stanford Undergraduate and the Mentor

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There are so many sad broken people in Silicon Valley. Maybe it's a matter of people not being socialized well as they grow up and a somewhat insular community that feeds off itself.

I left about 10 years ago but still have strong ties (business and friends) to the area. Some of the stories from my friends dating are shocking, disturbing, and hilarious at the same time.

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