Live data from Hacker News

F.C.C. Is Expected to Propose Regulating the Internet as a Utility

nytimes.com

11–20 of 452 posts

Re: F.C.C. Is Expected to Propose Regulating the Internet as a Utility

#11

I get what they're trying to accomplish, we all want faster more reliable service, but as comparison is anyone 100% happy with their utility (power, water, etc)? That's where this is headed.

When I call the water company, I don't talk to some guy in India who has never heard of my state, let alone my city. When the power and water go out, the service isn't great but compared to my internet provider it would be a huge improvement. YMMV.

Re: F.C.C. Is Expected to Propose Regulating the Internet as a Utility

#12

I get what they're trying to accomplish, we all want faster more reliable service, but as comparison is anyone 100% happy with their utility (power, water, etc)? That's where this is headed.

Maybe not 100%. But whatever percent it is, it is a higher percent than the one I attribute to Comcast.

Re: F.C.C. Is Expected to Propose Regulating the Internet as a Utility

#13
Setting aside the ultimate politics and ramifications of this, it is interesting (and kind of scary) to watch the fight between a non-elected bureaucracy and our elected house of representatives to regulate the internet.

Congress seems to be completely incapable of doing more than grandstanding, while the bureaucrats may wind up dramatically increasing their own power with a single stroke of their unelected pens.

It's no wonder we have many times more regulations than laws in this country... If I got to 'regulate' who I had power over on a regular basis, there are a lot of people who would suddenly find themselves inexplicably under Title Darren. Human nature.

Re: F.C.C. Is Expected to Propose Regulating the Internet as a Utility

#15
Wait, doesn't calling the Internet a utility mean all data will be metered by the MB from now on? Or does that not apply here? If it does, wouldn't that give carriers exactly what they wanted - the ability to charge video providers much more than they would say a news website?

The idea behind the whole net neutrality movement was to have "all you can eat plans" where all data is treated the same. What if now we get the "all data is treated the same" part, but not the "all you can eat" one?

Another issue: government spying. I know the ISP's/carriers have given the government virtually everything they've asked for, including direct access to the cables for the plain-text data + the recent cookie tracking inserted into people's traffic, but some of them have refused to do much of it, like Sonic, and I think Google takes a similar approach, fighting for users' rights, even if Verizon and AT&T do not. So what does it mean now that the government classifies all Internet under Title 2. What can we expect in terms of surveillance? And does it make it much easier to force all ISP's to comply with certain surveillance requests?

Re: F.C.C. Is Expected to Propose Regulating the Internet as a Utility

#16

I get what they're trying to accomplish, we all want faster more reliable service, but as comparison is anyone 100% happy with their utility (power, water, etc)? That's where this is headed.

I'm not 100% happy with my utility companies, but I'm 500% more satisfied with them than any cable company I've ever had.

Re: F.C.C. Is Expected to Propose Regulating the Internet as a Utility

#17

What a coincidence; I just posted this to my Facebook feed yesterday: Dealing with ISPs (and mobile providers, for that matter) is a never-ending hell of time-sucking and abysmal customer service. Communications as a business has some unfortunate features that drive its pathologies. The overhead of the infrastructure is very high and the marginal cost for adding a customer is relatively low. When there's more than on…

Wait a second, every single negative you've described here can also be applied to other utilities who have been regulated under title II for as long as it's existed. They've yet to find a way to 'regulate' human decency and good customer service...

Re: F.C.C. Is Expected to Propose Regulating the Internet as a Utility

#18

I get what they're trying to accomplish, we all want faster more reliable service, but as comparison is anyone 100% happy with their utility (power, water, etc)? That's where this is headed.

> I get what they're trying to accomplish, we all want faster more reliable service, but as comparison is anyone 100% happy with their utility (power, water, etc)?

I am. My water is clean and I've never had an outage. My power is reasonably cheap and quite reliable. The state doesn't allow either one to raise rates exorbitantly from year to year, either, and despite that both have made major upgrades to their facilities in the last few years.

Re: F.C.C. Is Expected to Propose Regulating the Internet as a Utility

#19

What a coincidence; I just posted this to my Facebook feed yesterday: Dealing with ISPs (and mobile providers, for that matter) is a never-ending hell of time-sucking and abysmal customer service. Communications as a business has some unfortunate features that drive its pathologies. The overhead of the infrastructure is very high and the marginal cost for adding a customer is relatively low. When there's more than on…

One of the interesting side-effects of utilities is you have a big group of trades that exist only to service that utility once it's inside your home.

Nobody really complains about the water company, but they sure do complain about rip-off artist plumbers.

Re: F.C.C. Is Expected to Propose Regulating the Internet as a Utility

#20

Setting aside the ultimate politics and ramifications of this, it is interesting (and kind of scary) to watch the fight between a non-elected bureaucracy and our elected house of representatives to regulate the internet. Congress seems to be completely incapable of doing more than grandstanding, while the bureaucrats may wind up dramatically increasing their own power with a single stroke of their unelected pens. It'…

Fwiw, the reason we have more regulations than laws is because Congress likes to enact laws dictating things in a somewhat general manner and delegates authority for implementing those concepts to experts. Naturally, the specific regulations are more numerous than the general guidance.

While there may be too many regulations, it's a red herring to claim that simply because there are more, this is a sign of dysfunction.

Post reply on HN