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Re: Conception – An experimental modern IDE written in Go

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Post by baumbart »

mostafah wrote: post #6

Why should being written in a particular language matter? We see a lot of these “written in Go”s these days for a lot of new softwares. I’m a big user of Go myself. Love the language and use it for almost everything. But I just don’t get why an editor or IDE or static site generator or any other piece of software brag about using a particular language or library.

For me, the language of a project has a large impact on whether I would consider contributing to it or not. When I dislike the language, I'll usually not want to be involved with the project, but just watch it growing. Thus, it makes a project more interesting for me if the language is nice.

Re: Conception – An experimental modern IDE written in Go

#12

Post by mietek »

shurcooL wrote: post #5

Author here. I was just about to go sleep when I noticed a retweet and a lot of new stars on Conception; this explains it. The linked C++ project was the result of an initial year of working on it, which culminated in a winning entry to LIVE 2013 contest [1] and me switching to working on a version of it written completely in Go [2]. I no longer work actively on the C++ version, but I do on the Go one [3]. Primarily,…

What happened to the screenshots?

Re: Conception – An experimental modern IDE written in Go

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Post by Flow »

shurcooL wrote: post #8
idlewan wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really interesting to go back to my old notes and goals and, with hindsight, truly understand _why_ they didn't work out, and what it would take to make them work. It would be awesome if you could blog about it or share your notes!

I agree, that would be useful, if not the most useful thing I could do, so that my findings aren't in vain. Sadly, I don't do any blogging, but I'll see if I can do something about that.

A md or org file in the project would be enough for me.

Re: Conception – An experimental modern IDE written in Go

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Post by shurcooL »

mietek wrote: post #12
shurcooL wrote: post #5

Author here. I was just about to go sleep when I noticed a retweet and a lot of new stars on Conception; this explains it. The linked C++ project was the result of an initial year of working on it, which culminated in a winning entry to LIVE 2013 contest [1] and me switching to working on a version of it written completely in Go [2]. I no longer work actively on the C++ version, but I do on the Go one [3]. Primarily,…

What happened to the screenshots?

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8907211. Sorry about that, I'll do something about it later on.

Re: Conception – An experimental modern IDE written in Go

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Post by mostafah »

baumbart wrote: post #11
mostafah wrote: post #6

Why should being written in a particular language matter? We see a lot of these “written in Go”s these days for a lot of new softwares. I’m a big user of Go myself. Love the language and use it for almost everything. But I just don’t get why an editor or IDE or static site generator or any other piece of software brag about using a particular language or library.

For me, the language of a project has a large impact on whether I would consider contributing to it or not. When I dislike the language, I'll usually not want to be involved with the project, but just watch it growing. Thus, it makes a project more interesting for me if the language is nice.

I know. That’s kind of true for all of us. But yet I believe this is not that important. Specially not important enough to put the language like a badge of honor beside the project’s name or description in the title, like how these “written in Go”s are.

If a projects seems interesting enough for someone, it’s more than easy to see what language is it written in. BTW, that’s how things work: you don’t decide to contribute to a project because it’s written in your favorite language. You first have to like the project itself, and if it happens to be in a language you’re comfortable with, you may contribute to it.

Re: Conception – An experimental modern IDE written in Go

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Post by buro9 »

shurcooL wrote: post #8
idlewan wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really interesting to go back to my old notes and goals and, with hindsight, truly understand _why_ they didn't work out, and what it would take to make them work. It would be awesome if you could blog about it or share your notes!

I agree, that would be useful, if not the most useful thing I could do, so that my findings aren't in vain. Sadly, I don't do any blogging, but I'll see if I can do something about that.

I don't blog either... but then once every few years I do and it turns out that when blogging when you actually have something to say is valuable to people.

Try medium, it works for such infrequent blog posts... and post the link back on here and we'll all get an insight into the learnings.

Re: Conception – An experimental modern IDE written in Go

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Post by zobzu »

mostafah wrote: post #6

Why should being written in a particular language matter? We see a lot of these “written in Go”s these days for a lot of new softwares. I’m a big user of Go myself. Love the language and use it for almost everything. But I just don’t get why an editor or IDE or static site generator or any other piece of software brag about using a particular language or library.

PR seriously. Link had far less chances to get on the fromt page without PR keywords like "written in Go".

Still interesting tho.

Re: Conception – An experimental modern IDE written in Go

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Post by hueving »

zefei wrote: post #10
shurcooL wrote: post #5

Author here. I was just about to go sleep when I noticed a retweet and a lot of new stars on Conception; this explains it. The linked C++ project was the result of an initial year of working on it, which culminated in a winning entry to LIVE 2013 contest [1] and me switching to working on a version of it written completely in Go [2]. I no longer work actively on the C++ version, but I do on the Go one [3]. Primarily,…

Developers who re-invent/re-imagine some wheels usually realize at the end why the original wheels are designed like those. We, understandably, don't quite appreciate the work other people have done, where we consider their tradeoffs as mistakes. But when we do them ourselves, we eventually see the huge amount of conflicting goals, as tradeoff is the essence of engineering, or anything. However, almost all the good n…

>We, understandably, don't quite appreciate the work other people have done, where we consider their tradeoffs as mistakes.

Part of this is because it's hard to differentiate between crap and something that was well-designed without putting the time into researching it. This leads developers to just assume most things are crap unfortunately.

Re: Conception – An experimental modern IDE written in Go

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Post by mostafah »

zobzu wrote: post #18
mostafah wrote: post #6

Why should being written in a particular language matter? We see a lot of these “written in Go”s these days for a lot of new softwares. I’m a big user of Go myself. Love the language and use it for almost everything. But I just don’t get why an editor or IDE or static site generator or any other piece of software brag about using a particular language or library.

PR seriously. Link had far less chances to get on the fromt page without PR keywords like "written in Go". Still interesting tho.

You’re right. What makes this project interesting is the idea and the design, not Go, yet it would be much harder to get this publicity through that. And that’s exactly what I’m saying: why should people upvote just because of the language?
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