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Drug dramatically reduces diabetes symptoms in mice

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Re: Drug dramatically reduces diabetes symptoms in mice

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Post by BlakePetersen »

susan_hall wrote: post #9
jimrandomh wrote: post #4

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> 20 or 30 days without food will resolve most symptoms in most humans. Your advice is much more lethal than you think. You should not pretend to know things about medicine when you don't.

Do you realize that there have been hundreds of studies suggesting that fasting has health benefits? There are too many listed on Google for me to link to them all but here is a random sample of a few. Start with this one, which was on Hacker News for awhile: Total Starvation – 382 days without Food http://cristivlad.com/total-starvation-382-days-without-food... "I recently came across this study from 1973 in which a…

As a type 1 diabetic, fasting for 20 to 30 days would likely kill me.

Stop making blanket statements.

It's offensive that you are perpetuating the false belief that all diabetics can fix their problems by simply fasting.

Re: Drug dramatically reduces diabetes symptoms in mice

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Post by deeviant »

susan_hall wrote: post #9
jimrandomh wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 20 or 30 days without food will resolve most symptoms in most humans. Your advice is much more lethal than you think. You should not pretend to know things about medicine when you don't.

Do you realize that there have been hundreds of studies suggesting that fasting has health benefits? There are too many listed on Google for me to link to them all but here is a random sample of a few. Start with this one, which was on Hacker News for awhile: Total Starvation – 382 days without Food http://cristivlad.com/total-starvation-382-days-without-food... "I recently came across this study from 1973 in which a…

You do realize that there is a difference between "a study suggesting something" and actual reality, right? Studies have conflicting findings all the time.

I, for one, believe there can be benefits of fasting, but I don't make the leap of: fasting might be beneficial for diabetes patiences -> thus fasting is a cure for diabetes.

It is this type of thinking which causes people to decide that vaccinations are unnecessary(and even evil) and cancer can be cured by a vegan gluten-free diet.

Re: Drug dramatically reduces diabetes symptoms in mice

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Post by jimrandomh »

susan_hall wrote: post #9
jimrandomh wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 20 or 30 days without food will resolve most symptoms in most humans. Your advice is much more lethal than you think. You should not pretend to know things about medicine when you don't.

Do you realize that there have been hundreds of studies suggesting that fasting has health benefits? There are too many listed on Google for me to link to them all but here is a random sample of a few. Start with this one, which was on Hacker News for awhile: Total Starvation – 382 days without Food http://cristivlad.com/total-starvation-382-days-without-food... "I recently came across this study from 1973 in which a…

First of all, intermittent fasting is different from calorie restriction is different from prolonged fasting. Prolonged fasting is much more dangerous than the other two.

And second, what applies to healthy people, metabolically speaking, usually does not apply to people with diabetes. I did a Pubmed search before I posted my comment, and wasn't able to find a single example of prolonged fasting having even been tried in T2DM patients.

As someone with T1DM (the kind caused by autoimmunity, not the kind caused by obesity), my expectation is that a T2DM who tried this in an ICU would probably experience hypoglycemia and abort, while someone who tried it outside an ICU would probably die.

Re: Drug dramatically reduces diabetes symptoms in mice

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Post by ollysb »

BlakePetersen wrote: post #8
susan_hall wrote: post #2

Not eating any food for several days also greatly reduces diabetes symptoms in mammals. I am not clear why this is not the default treatment. If people have trouble with will power then they can always check into a clinic that specializes in fasting. There are thousands of retreats, meditation, and medical clinics that help facilitate fasting. 20 or 30 days without food will resolve most symptoms in most humans. I've…

>> "20 or 30 days without food will resolve most symptoms in most humans." If you are a type 2, you are a diabetic due to lifestyle choices like overeating, eating/drinking high-carb foods, not excercising, smoking, etc. If you are a type 1, no matter how good you eat, you will still need to take subcutaneous injections every day to manage blood sugar, your body won't let your pancreas create insulin or glucagon. For…

As a newly diagnosed type 2 I have to take objection to your classification of all type 2s as having the condition due to bad lifestyle choices. Admittedly I did share your view point until I was diagnosed, I always assumed it was fried chicken, coca cola guzzling behemoths that it hit. I can't generalise but speaking for myself I haven't eaten junk food in over 10 years(I'm only 34), I haven't eaten processed food (I cook everything from raw ingredients) of any description for nearly as long and have exercised 3-5 times a week during that period (running, weights, swimming, cycling, often up to 2 hours at a time). I've also never been anywhere close to being obese and have been pretty athletic for much of the time. Having been diagnosed I've had no problem at all following the diet plan provided by a nutritionist and I've completely given up alcohol.
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