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Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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My mobile contract in the UK is $20 per month for 1000Gb on 4G with tethering permitted, 5000 voice minutes to the same carrier, 2000 voice minutes to any other carrier and 5000 text messages. It is not just the Zero Rating that is evil.

I'm in the UK and get nowhere near that for a similar price, who are you with?

I've just checked and the recurring charge I pay gets:

£12 goodybag: will include UK 3GB, 500 minutes, unlimited texts (was 250 minutes, unlimited data)

So thanks to your post I've just discovered I'm no longer getting the service I thought I was! It seems they sent a "changes to your service" email which I didn't read because I assumed it was ToS changes.

edited to add: This is 3G and not even 4G!

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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I'm not sure how much competition Wikipedia has as a free online encyclopedia. Also, Wikipedia is a non-profit, and doesn't really make more money by having more people use the site. It's strange to claim that Wikipedia is being anti-competitive. Personally, I think Wikipedia Zero is a great program. The article also says: > The reason that the Chinese, Russian and Cuban governments fear an open Internet more than an…

I'm not sure how much competition Wikipedia has as a free online encyclopedia.

Any other encyclopedia and any wiki-formatted knowledge store could be considered close competition. Wikipedia's in the business of providing high-level (and often low) level information, and there are tons of players in that space - just perhaps not as generalized and overreaching.

Wikipedia is a non-profit. They don't really make more money by having more people use the site

Which doesn't mean that it can't compete with other entities, just that it does so under a special set of rules. It's still in the best interest of Wikipedia to keep up traffic.

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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The article calls out AT&T and Sprint for their programs, thought I'd mention that T-Mobile has something similar going on with their Music Freedom program: http://www.t-mobile.com/offer/free-music-streaming.html

I was going to point out the same.

I really like T-Mobile's program since a lot of my data usage was disappearing into streaming music (namely Google Music/Play Music). However I will fully admit it is anti-competitive since if you're a new music streaming service just trying to make it, you won't get onto T-Mobile's free list (and even Google Music/Play Music wasn't until extremely recently, like even two months ago it wasn't).

However as much as I like and benefit from this program, I think the world would be a better place if all data was treated equally. I'd actually be willing to sacrifice this program if it meant a more fair internet, and I benefit from it...

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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My mobile contract in the UK is $20 per month for 1000Gb on 4G with tethering permitted, 5000 voice minutes to the same carrier, 2000 voice minutes to any other carrier and 5000 text messages. It is not just the Zero Rating that is evil.

I'm paying $50/month in the states on T-Mobile for unlimited text/voice and 2.5GB of data, no tethering permitted. EDIT: Yes, I still tether, I stated it for completeness. You can get around the tethering nag by using SSL or VPN when tethered.

FWIW, T-Mobile's tethering ban is fairly easy to circumvent.

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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My mobile contract in the UK is $20 per month for 1000Gb on 4G with tethering permitted, 5000 voice minutes to the same carrier, 2000 voice minutes to any other carrier and 5000 text messages. It is not just the Zero Rating that is evil.

I'm paying $50/month in the states on T-Mobile for unlimited text/voice and 2.5GB of data, no tethering permitted. EDIT: Yes, I still tether, I stated it for completeness. You can get around the tethering nag by using SSL or VPN when tethered.

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Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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My mobile contract in the UK is $20 per month for 1000Gb on 4G with tethering permitted, 5000 voice minutes to the same carrier, 2000 voice minutes to any other carrier and 5000 text messages. It is not just the Zero Rating that is evil.

Exactly. I thought this article dealed with a very specific problem in a very specific geographic region.

I’m talking about the issue of “zero rating”: the practice being followed by mobile carriers around the world to provide Web access “for free” to their users to certain chosen services.

But all other OECD countries have some flavor of zero rating in place.

I've never heard of a UK or European carrier implementing "zero rating" services, so I'm not sure how far around the world this occurs and the only concrete examples given are in the US.

I'm with a dinky little PAYG plan in Austria at the moment, and I just pay EUR3.95 for 1GB as I need it, which I never seem to use very fast because the majority of the time I'm connected via WiFi. Even when I was moving house in the UK and tethered my phone, I think I only used about 6GB in the course of a month. Of course I was slightly careful with video streaming and other data heavy activities, but I didn't really restrict my Internet use.

Anyway, my point is, "zero rating" even if it did occur would have very little relevance when data is so cheap anyway. It seems to me that the root of the problem is overpriced data, and not the "zero rating" of some services.

Edit: As for voice and text. I use Telegram for all my heavy "texting" and a SIP provider for all calls. I think my total monthly mobile telephony bill is only about EUR10 with the Austrian PAYG plan and another $10 with the SIP provider.

I used to have massive mobile phone bills, sometimes in excess of £100 per month (average around £70), when I lived in the UK and traveled around Europe a lot. This was all down to charges while abroad, and apart from not accept incoming calls, there wasn't a lot I could do about it if I wanted to continue operating my business.

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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My mobile contract in the UK is $20 per month for 1000Gb on 4G with tethering permitted, 5000 voice minutes to the same carrier, 2000 voice minutes to any other carrier and 5000 text messages. It is not just the Zero Rating that is evil.

I'm paying $50/month in the states on T-Mobile for unlimited text/voice and 2.5GB of data, no tethering permitted. EDIT: Yes, I still tether, I stated it for completeness. You can get around the tethering nag by using SSL or VPN when tethered.

Is that a grandfathered plan? They don't seem to offer that right now.

Plus most current plans come with SOME tethering (even the unlimited plans have limited tethering now).

Re: Exempting popular apps from data charges is anti-competitive

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I'm not sure how much competition Wikipedia has as a free online encyclopedia. Also, Wikipedia is a non-profit, and doesn't really make more money by having more people use the site. It's strange to claim that Wikipedia is being anti-competitive. Personally, I think Wikipedia Zero is a great program. The article also says: > The reason that the Chinese, Russian and Cuban governments fear an open Internet more than an…

The biggest competitors in a case like this you can't see, because they don't exist. It's all the competing products that were never created because the barriers to entry were too high.

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Though I agree that in many situations it is anti-competitive, I think it would be difficult to tell someone who has a small data to work with that you're going to take away their currently free access to Facebook, Wikipedia, etc.

So don't. Facebook and Wikipedia don't require a huge amount of bandwidth, that's how they can be free. Just stop discriminating. Give people a mode they can switch on where they don't get charged for data but get capped at 0.5Mbps.

This is my preference. I think the only reason T-Mobile offers unlimited music streaming is that it typically consumes <= 256 kbps. I would much rather they offered an "economy mode" switch where I could throttle my entire device and browse whatever I wanted.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm paying $50/month in the states on T-Mobile for unlimited text/voice and 2.5GB of data, no tethering permitted. EDIT: Yes, I still tether, I stated it for completeness. You can get around the tethering nag by using SSL or VPN when tethered.

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I have that plan and the WiFi calling on my iPhone used the minutes. Are you using some sort of VOIP app?
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