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Advanced Off-the-Shelf Targeted Attacks Against Nation States [video]

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Re: Advanced Off-the-Shelf Targeted Attacks Against Nation States [video]

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I am really confused as to why the security community is obsessed with the term "nation state". Every single publication or quote from security researchers that wants to attribute some worm or attack to a country incorrectly calls it a nation state. A nation state is a specific thing that is not just a pompous way of saying state or country. If you're wondering, you can check the Wikipedia entry on it. There's nothin…

What's even more problematic is that you have been downvoted on a community that was founded by people who participated in building the tech responsible for forging history's first self-sustaining post-nationalist identity (the internet) in history. The nation-state must be the enemy, which can only be defeated by a nation-state... because the concept of a nation-state is dying and is engaging in full blown Hegelian…

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Re: Advanced Off-the-Shelf Targeted Attacks Against Nation States [video]

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I am really confused as to why the security community is obsessed with the term "nation state". Every single publication or quote from security researchers that wants to attribute some worm or attack to a country incorrectly calls it a nation state. A nation state is a specific thing that is not just a pompous way of saying state or country. If you're wondering, you can check the Wikipedia entry on it. There's nothin…

What's even more problematic is that you have been downvoted on a community that was founded by people who participated in building the tech responsible for forging history's first self-sustaining post-nationalist identity (the internet) in history. The nation-state must be the enemy, which can only be defeated by a nation-state... because the concept of a nation-state is dying and is engaging in full blown Hegelian…

>history's first self-sustaining post-nationalist identity

I am not a historian, but wouldn't that honor go to religion? Regardless, religion is certainly older than the Internet.

Re: Advanced Off-the-Shelf Targeted Attacks Against Nation States [video]

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What's even more problematic is that you have been downvoted on a community that was founded by people who participated in building the tech responsible for forging history's first self-sustaining post-nationalist identity (the internet) in history. The nation-state must be the enemy, which can only be defeated by a nation-state... because the concept of a nation-state is dying and is engaging in full blown Hegelian…

>history's first self-sustaining post-nationalist identity I am not a historian, but wouldn't that honor go to religion? Regardless, religion is certainly older than the Internet.

This is technically correct in concept, but not in practice, as organized religion existed long before the formalization of the nation-state. In fact, one can even argue that nationalism is an agnostic subdivision of organized theology since it utilizes identical symbol worship mechanisms.

Re: Advanced Off-the-Shelf Targeted Attacks Against Nation States [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's even more problematic is that you have been downvoted on a community that was founded by people who participated in building the tech responsible for forging history's first self-sustaining post-nationalist identity (the internet) in history. The nation-state must be the enemy, which can only be defeated by a nation-state... because the concept of a nation-state is dying and is engaging in full blown Hegelian…

>history's first self-sustaining post-nationalist identity (the internet) What do you mean by this?

It means the internet allows people to communicate, share ideas, and form cultural bonds and identities outside of the highly-restricted context of national frameworks.
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