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Mix of Bacteria in Gut May Depend More on Diet Than Genes

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Re: Mix of Bacteria in Gut May Depend More on Diet Than Genes

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Given the evident link between gut bacteria and mental health, it may be that we'll see diet as a component of psychiatric care in the future. ( http://www.nature.com/news/gut-brain-link-grabs-neuroscienti... )

Indeed, which adds to the argument that so called "mental" health problems are not actually mental. Many diseases cause some mental symptoms and get wrongly labelled as mental illnesses, when I dispute that there is such a thing.

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It would be interesting to hear both why the chose a "high fat-high sugar" diet and to see further research that did more isolated tests in the vein of "high carb", "high fat" and "high protein" instead of combinations of them. Also, what are the implications of altered gut makeup after adopting these diets? Surely we could come up with experiments to measure metabolism and behavior as a result of the altered gut bac…

It does seem like a very simple study, that we would have guessed the results. Seems like a study like this would be to help facilitate laws or actions rather than finding the really important answers you are suggesting. I hope one day we come up with a model to fund research for the people, and not wait for larger organizations to fund, typically for selfish reasons. I think if we could find this model science will not only catch up, but trail-blaze new findings.

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Given the evident link between gut bacteria and mental health, it may be that we'll see diet as a component of psychiatric care in the future. ( http://www.nature.com/news/gut-brain-link-grabs-neuroscienti... )

We should. Sadly, it's hard to administer, and harder to make money off of.

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Here is a case where the research is lagging the knowledge base. Every holistic MD has, for decades, preached eating foods enriched with healthy bacteria. What we need now is research that looks at outcomes.

These results indicate that you can eat anything, not just foods enriched with bacteria like probiotic yogurt (which has questionable benefits in itself http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/6180/do-probioti... ), and observe a change in gut microbiota. "Turnbaugh’s team found that switching mice to a high-sugar, high-fat diet reshaped the abundance of the community of microbes in the gut to a new, stable makeu…

The real yogurt is the Bulgarian yogurt, not low-fat high-sugar ones sold at store in the States. Only an idiot will eat a probiotic "yogurt" with 30g of sugars in the small container and think they are doing good to their health! Fortunately, there are two brands [0] of the original sold at Whole Foods today (one, unfortunately, available only on the East Coast [1]), but they are too sour for the American to like. Does it have questionable benefits? Maybe you should try to research how yogurt got the attention of medicine. It was eaten by my predecessors for centuries and the benefits are without doubt.

When babies are born, their gut is sterile before it gets colonized from outside. The diet definitely can affect which strain will outgrow others, but all gut bacteria is exogenous.

[0] http://www.whitemountainfoods.com/YogurtProductPage.html

[1] http://www.trimonayogurt.com/

Re: Mix of Bacteria in Gut May Depend More on Diet Than Genes

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These results indicate that you can eat anything, not just foods enriched with bacteria like probiotic yogurt (which has questionable benefits in itself http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/6180/do-probioti... ), and observe a change in gut microbiota. "Turnbaugh’s team found that switching mice to a high-sugar, high-fat diet reshaped the abundance of the community of microbes in the gut to a new, stable makeu…

Not sure I follow - is there a suggestion that you can only eat 'foods enriched with bacteria like probiotic yogurt'? I would think the less questionable benefits of eating yogurt would be calcium and protein, at the very least. This study didn't try to feed any sort of special 'probiotic' foods to the mice.

Yogurt is a great, but greatly overlooked source of many other nutrients such as iodine.

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Given the evident link between gut bacteria and mental health, it may be that we'll see diet as a component of psychiatric care in the future. ( http://www.nature.com/news/gut-brain-link-grabs-neuroscienti... )

Indeed, which adds to the argument that so called "mental" health problems are not actually mental. Many diseases cause some mental symptoms and get wrongly labelled as mental illnesses, when I dispute that there is such a thing.

You dispute that mental illness is a thing that exists?

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Here is a case where the research is lagging the knowledge base. Every holistic MD has, for decades, preached eating foods enriched with healthy bacteria. What we need now is research that looks at outcomes.

It's too bad you're being downmodded. I'll state what I think you're getting at: "holistic MDs have, for decades, hypothesized that the link between foods and gut bacteria is much more important than the scientific community yet realizes". Everything else they did from that point, yes you can call it "bullshit" because it was conjectural/anecdotal/etc, so downmod away for daring to suggest that such a morally bankrupt bunch as the holistic community might have had the faintest conjecture about something that turned out to be scientifically significant.

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Can someone speak to my theory (that's based on limited knowledge), that if we wanted to "reset" the gut, we could deliberately take antibiotics to wipe out good/bad colonies of microbes and tailor a hyper-specific diet for sought after results. The hypothesis being that if certain microbes flourish for years and that if it is impractical to genetically map the gut biome to identify which are thriving in every patient, this could help us get to a clean slate before therapy is attempted.

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Study seems to follow common-sense - change the nutrients ingested and different gut bacteria will flourish. What I'm really interested in is which types of bacteria create a feedback loop by releasing chemicals/hormones to increase hunger or cravings for specific foods. Definitely not an easy thing to determine given all the variables, but it seems very likely based on the other studies showing bacteria can promote…

Which means that a cure for obesity (or at least one of the components of a cure) can be as simple as an antibiotic that targets the "bad" gut bacteria. Very interesting.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, which adds to the argument that so called "mental" health problems are not actually mental. Many diseases cause some mental symptoms and get wrongly labelled as mental illnesses, when I dispute that there is such a thing.

You dispute that mental illness is a thing that exists?

It is known that the reliability of psychiatric diagnoses is non-existent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

Edit: It is ok to downvote if you disagree. But think what it says about you if you are downvoting facts.

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