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Mobile showers for San Francisco's homeless

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Re: Mobile showers for San Francisco's homeless

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I'm not sure whether to laud this or be shocked at the lack of more standard provisions. Bath houses were a feature of cities for centuries.

San Francisco had bath houses but they, um, weren't very clean and were shut down.

I think San Francisco's former "bath houses" served a different function than that being provided by these showers. They were shut down at the height of the AIDS epidemic.

Re: Mobile showers for San Francisco's homeless

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I'm not sure whether to laud this or be shocked at the lack of more standard provisions. Bath houses were a feature of cities for centuries.

San Francisco has homeless shelters and a program to get transients into permanent housing. The homeless who need showers are the ones who refuse the program.

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It's certainly a feel-good story, but I'd like to hear more about how they intend to handle the "dirty details" that effectively destroy public restrooms. Is it basically like a public restroom with a full-time attendant who polices and cleans full time?

Until they disclose the details, it's not even much of a feel-good story. How is the full-time attendant going to clean dirty needles out of the toilet? Maybe that's where the "policing" aspect comes into play? But how many transients are okay with being watched in a bathroom? The SF public library was forced to install sewage grinders to handle the "dirty details." - http://sfist.com/2013/08/27/were_doomed_sf_main_library_bath...

Re: Mobile showers for San Francisco's homeless

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The confidence that this will inspire while looking or interviewing for a job is immense. Taking it one step further, it would be great if they're provided free clothing if they can prove(to prevent abuse) that they need it to go to an interview.

It exists here is a charity specific for women with a location in San Francisco http://www.dressforsuccess.org/affiliate.aspx?sisid=114&page...

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I live and work in San Francisco and have tweeted many times about the extreme lack of public restrooms and the overwhelming amount of human waste littered across our beautiful city. We have an incredibly large transient population and yet there are hardly any public restrooms. It's an all too common site to see someone squatting down in the middle of the sidewalk relieving themselves. We pride ourselves on being the…

Didn't bart used to have restrooms on every station until 9/11 ?

Anyways, Palo Alto has a bunch of public ones and all of them are damn gross. Worse than civic center plaza. I wonder how hard (expensive) is it to keep them clean.

Re: Mobile showers for San Francisco's homeless

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It's certainly a feel-good story, but I'd like to hear more about how they intend to handle the "dirty details" that effectively destroy public restrooms. Is it basically like a public restroom with a full-time attendant who polices and cleans full time?

Yeah, its why I'm not disappointed that the restrooms in BART's Market Street stations are still closed. Toilets used heavily by transients are going to get trashed very quickly.

Lets be honest, there's nothing more humbling than walking down Market across from Twitter HQ, and seeing a homeless person whip it out to piss next to that den of newly minted millionaires and affluent tech workers. We can't provide public needs for those in need, but if we do, we need to be careful they don't become unhealthy cesspools either.

Re: Mobile showers for San Francisco's homeless

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It's certainly a feel-good story, but I'd like to hear more about how they intend to handle the "dirty details" that effectively destroy public restrooms. Is it basically like a public restroom with a full-time attendant who polices and cleans full time?

Until they disclose the details, it's not even much of a feel-good story. How is the full-time attendant going to clean dirty needles out of the toilet? Maybe that's where the "policing" aspect comes into play? But how many transients are okay with being watched in a bathroom? The SF public library was forced to install sewage grinders to handle the "dirty details." - http://sfist.com/2013/08/27/were_doomed_sf_main_l…

Just screw sharps bins to the walls like Sydney's public bathrooms do.

Thise restrooms with sharps bins are handily identified on maps.

https://toiletmap.gov.au/Mobile?state=New%20South%20Wales&lo...

It's part of the (I think) community sharps disposal programme. http://www.communitysharps.org.au/resources/disposal-options

People addicted to drugs take drugs. We need to recognise that, and reduce the harm they do to others. Needle-stick injuries are a significant concern to a wide range of low pay workers, so better needle disposal programmes are a good idea.

Re: Mobile showers for San Francisco's homeless

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I live and work in San Francisco and have tweeted many times about the extreme lack of public restrooms and the overwhelming amount of human waste littered across our beautiful city. We have an incredibly large transient population and yet there are hardly any public restrooms. It's an all too common site to see someone squatting down in the middle of the sidewalk relieving themselves. We pride ourselves on being the…

It's worth reading this article: http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/3758-why-is-there-so-m...

Homeless people were using the BART escalators as restrooms at night... causing them to break down. The solution? Multi-million dollar covers to stop people getting down there at night – not a considerably smaller sum for public restrooms.

This speaks to the psychology. There is still a population in SF that believes homelessness is a choice. And that facilities encourage homelessness. There is another segment that believes SF already shoulders a disproportionate amount of dealing homelessness. There are a lot of people that just find them annoying.

I'm always surprised how many locals don't believe Civic or Tenderloin is ever going to change. Why? Zoning, regulations – but mostly because it's always been that way.

So, yeah. I don't quite understand it either.

Re: Mobile showers for San Francisco's homeless

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I live and work in San Francisco and have tweeted many times about the extreme lack of public restrooms and the overwhelming amount of human waste littered across our beautiful city. We have an incredibly large transient population and yet there are hardly any public restrooms. It's an all too common site to see someone squatting down in the middle of the sidewalk relieving themselves. We pride ourselves on being the…

Didn't bart used to have restrooms on every station until 9/11 ? Anyways, Palo Alto has a bunch of public ones and all of them are damn gross. Worse than civic center plaza. I wonder how hard (expensive) is it to keep them clean.

Even BART elevators (at least in the urban core) are nasty and practically toilets. Just try taking the elevator at Oakland Coliseum or Civic Center. There needs to be strict policing of public accommodations (and I use the term policing in a generic sense), but the political will to do so isn't here in the Bay Area. Just look at the freakout over homeless people squatting in the downtown BART stations.
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