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Gates Foundation to require immediate free access for journal articles

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Re: Gates Foundation to require immediate free access for journal articles

#11

> "The Gates Foundation will also pay the author fees charged by many open-access journals."

This is important, but what would be interesting is whether they will pay open access fees on top of your grant, or let you pay open access fees with your grant. The first option would obviously be preferable, especially since you can easily be publishing work after using up your direct grant money.

Re: Gates Foundation to require immediate free access for journal articles

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post #11

> "The Gates Foundation will also pay the author fees charged by many open-access journals."

This is important, but what would be interesting is whether they will pay open access fees on top of your grant, or let you pay open access fees with your grant. The first option would obviously be preferable, especially since you can easily be publishing work after using up your direct grant money.

on the other hand, the first option would encourage open access journals to rack up the price of publishing.

Re: Gates Foundation to require immediate free access for journal articles

#13

> "The Gates Foundation will also pay the author fees charged by many open-access journals."

That's where the remaining problem is.

Funding agencies should really stop kneeling in front of publishers and refuse to pay for this, or at least fix themselves a maximum price per publication. Currently publishers ask for $1000 to $5000 in some cases, which is completely insane. I'm not denying the cost of publication. But there is that actual cost, and then there is the prices demanded by publishers, which looks more like violent theft than it looks like the actual cost.

Re: Gates Foundation to require immediate free access for journal articles

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It's not a perfect solution but it sure does head in the right direction. If the perception can be changed so that "serious" science with big donors is always published openly and only rinky-dink "school" science is published behind paywalls because it's just "publish or perish" schlock it will be a huge win.

Re: Gates Foundation to require immediate free access for journal articles

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This is really great, but to play devil's advocate, does this hurt the authors? That is, does this mean that they can't publish in Cell or another reputable journal, and would this discourage them from taking funding from the Gates Foundation?

As an article in The Winnower said, science is not disinterested and there are egos involved. "We got published in Cell" or "Our paper is in Science" still speaks prestige.

Re: Gates Foundation to require immediate free access for journal articles

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post #3

Why don't they just pay for all of the major science publications to have free access for everyone - not just requiring it of the authors they subsidize?

It would be an interesting experiment to negotiate a single annual payment to all journals to make them publish all articles in an easily downloadable and extractable form.

Re: Gates Foundation to require immediate free access for journal articles

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post #13

> "The Gates Foundation will also pay the author fees charged by many open-access journals."

That's where the remaining problem is. Funding agencies should really stop kneeling in front of publishers and refuse to pay for this, or at least fix themselves a maximum price per publication. Currently publishers ask for $1000 to $5000 in some cases, which is completely insane. I'm not denying the cost of publication. But there is that actual cost, and then there is the prices demanded by publishers, which looks m…

Even more insane when you consider that peer reviewers are unpaid.

Re: Gates Foundation to require immediate free access for journal articles

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post #15

This is really great, but to play devil's advocate, does this hurt the authors? That is, does this mean that they can't publish in Cell or another reputable journal, and would this discourage them from taking funding from the Gates Foundation? As an article in The Winnower said, science is not disinterested and there are egos involved. "We got published in Cell " or "Our paper is in Science " still speaks prestige.

Not in the medium term. The paywalled articles' days are counted already -- in physics, putting the paper into arxiv is the standard practice, and it doesn't hurt anybody.

Re: Gates Foundation to require immediate free access for journal articles

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Fence sitting. The journals need a way to cover operating expenses. On the other hand, if a more efficient and cost effective model exists, this is good disruption. Nothings free tho, right?

Seems pretty likely this (and other pushes like it) will create that kind of disruption.
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