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Utah Considers Cutting Off Water to the NSA’s Monster Data Center

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Re: Utah Considers Cutting Off Water to the NSA’s Monster Data Center

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Post by lsiebert »

prbuckley wrote: post #3

If every state stood up and passed bills like this the NSA couldnt have giant data centers in this country.

There is a fair bit of land controlled by the United States that is not part of any state. Us Territories like puerto rico, guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands, areas treated as Territories like the Northern Mariana Islands and American Samoa, The District of Columbia, and Federal Enclaves and certain maritime territories and territorial waters would all be available even if every state said no.

Plus it's relatively easy to cancel a contract 7 years ahead of time, then renew it before that time comes up.

Re: Utah Considers Cutting Off Water to the NSA’s Monster Data Center

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Post by thizzbuzz »

jsmthrowaway wrote: post #5
prbuckley wrote: post #3

If every state stood up and passed bills like this the NSA couldnt have giant data centers in this country.

As shocking as it might be, the NSA has other things to do which actually are crucial for national security. Reforming the agency will go much further than basically saying "you can't have cool servers or toilets that flush." I know hating the NSA is en vogue but seriously. This is almost as bad as stonewalling and other hostilities toward other branches of government simply because the opposite party is in power (th…

I am not convinced that the NSA has any purpose. What do you think is necessary about the NSA?

Re: Utah Considers Cutting Off Water to the NSA’s Monster Data Center

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Post by optimusclimb »

jsmthrowaway wrote: post #5
prbuckley wrote: post #3

If every state stood up and passed bills like this the NSA couldnt have giant data centers in this country.

As shocking as it might be, the NSA has other things to do which actually are crucial for national security. Reforming the agency will go much further than basically saying "you can't have cool servers or toilets that flush." I know hating the NSA is en vogue but seriously. This is almost as bad as stonewalling and other hostilities toward other branches of government simply because the opposite party is in power (th…

Hating the NSA is far from "en vogue"...more like, trying to avoid 2014 becoming "1984" (as in the book) is en vogue.

You're hardly as "upset about it as you" if you can't see why any act that makes their NON-AMERICAN surveillance state harder to implement is a good idea.

But then, you used a throwaway account, so I think that speaks for itself.

Re: Utah Considers Cutting Off Water to the NSA’s Monster Data Center

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Post by vladtaltos »

prbuckley wrote: post #3

If every state stood up and passed bills like this the NSA couldnt have giant data centers in this country.

that's a pretty naive viewpoint. they could've just as easily built the facility on a military base... then what ? trying to prevent espionage through limiting access to resources is a very ineffective way...

another point is that the law won't seem to have any effect (even if it passes by the way - no guarantees on that) on the current installation until 2021... 7 years is a pretty long term to revert a bill or make new legislation that allows other options...

afaik (I'm not a us citizen) federal law supersedes state law in the US. So it follows that you need to have federal safeguards against wiretapping and whatnot... state legislation is cute at best but seems ineffective.

Re: Utah Considers Cutting Off Water to the NSA’s Monster Data Center

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Post by anigbrowl »

prbuckley wrote: post #3

If every state stood up and passed bills like this the NSA couldnt have giant data centers in this country.

How is it that people are willing to believe the NSA/Federal government intercepts and archives the vast bulk of the world's electronics communication, but lacks the capability to sink a well and pull water out of the ground? Evn in the bizarre situation that this were true, the NSA could still have giant data centers in this country by the simple expedient of building them on ships.

Sorry, but the comment above is pure magical thinking. I can't take your ideas about policy seriously if you are not connected to practical reality.

Re: Utah Considers Cutting Off Water to the NSA’s Monster Data Center

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Post by jsmthrowaway »

optimusclimb wrote: post #13
jsmthrowaway wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As shocking as it might be, the NSA has other things to do which actually are crucial for national security. Reforming the agency will go much further than basically saying "you can't have cool servers or toilets that flush." I know hating the NSA is en vogue but seriously. This is almost as bad as stonewalling and other hostilities toward other branches of government simply because the opposite party is in power (th…

Hating the NSA is far from "en vogue"...more like, trying to avoid 2014 becoming "1984" (as in the book) is en vogue. You're hardly as "upset about it as you" if you can't see why any act that makes their NON-AMERICAN surveillance state harder to implement is a good idea. But then, you used a throwaway account, so I think that speaks for itself.

What in your eyes is an "American" intelligence agency? What does the phrase "American" mean to you in general? You capitalized it, so it's an important thrust of your point and, since it's almost always a meaningless hand wave instead of a useful adjective, I want to give you a chance to solidify your position before discarding it.

Also, "throwaway" is a poor regex for "should disregard opinion". Click my profile.

Re: Utah Considers Cutting Off Water to the NSA’s Monster Data Center

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Post by [deleted] »

jsmthrowaway wrote: post #5
prbuckley wrote: post #3

If every state stood up and passed bills like this the NSA couldnt have giant data centers in this country.

As shocking as it might be, the NSA has other things to do which actually are crucial for national security. Reforming the agency will go much further than basically saying "you can't have cool servers or toilets that flush." I know hating the NSA is en vogue but seriously. This is almost as bad as stonewalling and other hostilities toward other branches of government simply because the opposite party is in power (th…

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Re: Utah Considers Cutting Off Water to the NSA’s Monster Data Center

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Post by teekert »

jsmthrowaway wrote: post #10
buro9 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

teekert is from Holland, so no. The original House of Cards was British, though it doesn't really reflect how UK politics are. Yes, Minister comes closer: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080306/ Though that implies that through the farce we get things done, which hasn't been true for a while. Not sure what this has to do with the water supply to a datacenter though.

Sorry, "across the pond" pretty much says "I'm British" to me, because we say that almost exclusively about you (IME). I don't keep up with where folks are from. Anyway, agreed, it's an off topic diversion.

You're right, sorry, it was off-topic and with a big wink. But you know how it will go, the data center will never be without water. It isn't much different here (indeed in the Netherlands) I can tell you.
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