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The First Browser Dedicated to Developers Is Coming

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Re: The First Browser Dedicated to Developers Is Coming

#11

Yeah...we'll see. If the current state of Firefox's Dev Tools is any indicator of what they have to show, I'm not optimistic.

Firefox's developer tools are good an improving at a fast pace. I would argue that they in most aspects have surpassed Firebug and the Chrome developer tools.

Re: The First Browser Dedicated to Developers Is Coming

#12

As interesting as the concept is, I can't help but think it'll only make the already widening divide between "developers" and "ordinary users" even bigger... or maybe everyone will jump over to the "developer" version once they realise what they're missing, which would be the ideal situation. No information there about what exactly it is , however. It could be not much more than regular Firefox with their WebIDE thin…

It's going to lower the barrier to entry for young people who want to get into more than just the kiddie stuff. I know when I was a kid, I was smart enough for BASIC and Pascal but C++ just looked weird and complex and hard. HTML, CSS and Javascript were awesome and I jumped into that instead. Neat integrated tools are great for beginners. What drives a divide is when you go build an entire ecosystem and hand it off…

Lower the barrier? The barrier IS lower enough even for kids... Javascript is the basic of this generation. There aren´t any barriers for new programmers to just sit and learn programming. The tools are already available in the browser. You can learn web programming with your PC, mobile, chromebook, macbook, "any"book.

But yes, I would really like to have more mature and integrated developer tools.

Re: The First Browser Dedicated to Developers Is Coming

#13
Well, I hope that the following two profiler bugs land before then:

Bug 1008435 - [e10s] Port the built-in Gecko profiler to e10s https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1008435

Bug 974832 - WebGL EXT_disjoint_timer_query may now be implemented https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=974832

Re: The First Browser Dedicated to Developers Is Coming

#14
post #3

This is like one of those startup websites/videos that tells you absolutely nothing about what they are doing.

It's pretty much text out of the article shoved into a video with some random background images & graphics accompanied by some epic LoTR music.

Re: The First Browser Dedicated to Developers Is Coming

#15

As interesting as the concept is, I can't help but think it'll only make the already widening divide between "developers" and "ordinary users" even bigger... or maybe everyone will jump over to the "developer" version once they realise what they're missing, which would be the ideal situation. No information there about what exactly it is , however. It could be not much more than regular Firefox with their WebIDE thin…

It's going to lower the barrier to entry for young people who want to get into more than just the kiddie stuff. I know when I was a kid, I was smart enough for BASIC and Pascal but C++ just looked weird and complex and hard. HTML, CSS and Javascript were awesome and I jumped into that instead. Neat integrated tools are great for beginners. What drives a divide is when you go build an entire ecosystem and hand it off…

When I started coding at the age of 10, typing hexadecimal dumps from magazine listings was the alternative to BASIC.

C++ is way more user friendly than that.

Re: The First Browser Dedicated to Developers Is Coming

#18
I think this is a logical development. Firefox gets more and more Developer tools by default, but most users will never touch them. So it sounds logical to exclude Developer tools from the default package and instead offer an Developer version of Firefox.

Firefox is my default browser for a long time (switched briefly to Opera, but when they came with the new Chromium-version I switched back because I didn't like it) and I'm very satisfied with it. The developer tools are getting better and better, and I almost never touch Firebug anymore. Also I like Firefoxs tools more than those of Chrome, but that is a question of taste.

I think there is one thing Firefox can really make better for developers and that is addon development. I personally never developed an addon but looked briefly into it and from what I heard was that in comparison to Chrome, developing for Firefox is difficult. I hope there will be progress on this level too.

Re: The First Browser Dedicated to Developers Is Coming

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to lower the barrier to entry for young people who want to get into more than just the kiddie stuff. I know when I was a kid, I was smart enough for BASIC and Pascal but C++ just looked weird and complex and hard. HTML, CSS and Javascript were awesome and I jumped into that instead. Neat integrated tools are great for beginners. What drives a divide is when you go build an entire ecosystem and hand it off…

Lower the barrier? The barrier IS lower enough even for kids... Javascript is the basic of this generation. There aren´t any barriers for new programmers to just sit and learn programming. The tools are already available in the browser. You can learn web programming with your PC, mobile, chromebook, macbook, "any"book. But yes, I would really like to have more mature and integrated developer tools.

I think the big difference today is that the runtime (often cloud) and toolchain are much more involved. Nothing is self-contained any more. Dependencies are out of control.

Web apps make it easy for the user to access almost any service from almost any device. Unfortunately, this puts the burden on the developer to handle ongoing delivery, hosting, cross-platform compatibility. This can be intimidating, even insurmountable, for young developers in training.

It's a complicated world, these days.

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