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Friends Don't Let Friends Clap on One and Three: A Backbeat Clapping Study

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Re: Friends Don't Let Friends Clap on One and Three: A Backbeat Clapping Study

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Post by pavel_lishin »

spenuke wrote: post #10
tmm wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you tell he skips a beat? Or for that matter the difference between beats 1 and 3 vs 2 and 4? Music is such a mystery to me. :/

The vast majority of music has what's known as a meter, which is a cyclical pattern. Just like we can think of time in terms of a neverending stream of occurrences, or choose to think in terms of a 7-day week, we simplify the understanding of musical events by counting in a regularly repeating meter . This song's meter is in 4/4, which means you count 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4, etc. along with the very pulse you feel. Tap your…

After reading your comment, I realized that I was counting at half the speed I was supposed to.

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Post by zw123456 »

guelo wrote: post #2

This presentation would much better as a youtube video with audible samples of the beats.

I agree, a presentation on music that does not contain any audible samples reveals a weakness of slideshare perhaps, unless perhaps there is a feature I am unaware of ?

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Post by DMac87 »

spenuke wrote: post #3

Duke Ellington routinely gave his audiences a lesson in his inimitable style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPcZ5ex2t-g Harry Connick Jr. didn't bother educating his European audience with any explanation. He simply skips a beat, and then they're clapping on 2 and 4. It happens after the first sung chorus. You can see the drummer raise his hands in joy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD3iaURppQw And, of course, th…

The Harry Connick Jr clip was the first thing that came to mind when I saw this thread - love it!

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Post by DanBC »

thangalin wrote: post #9

The following blog post provides examples of swung beats and clapping, as it pertains to dancing: http://vixswingjazz.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/can-you-hear-th... A few songs are missing from the page: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFtNC8BwKI0 (Dinah; NSFW) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YqDbd6pUC0 (Everything is Jumping) To get a feel for clapping on the even beats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_WZenJnT8M (Sh…

I play the Lavender Coffin track. I listen to it carefully. I replay it and try to clap on the claps. I fail. I try again. I still fail. I listen to the song again. I replay the track, but this time try to tap my finger (which is easier than clapping) and I still fail.

Will it get easier or am I just "beatdeaf"? (Here I can clearly hear the 1 2 3 4, and the claps, but I just cannot match the claps on 2 and 4.)

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Post by SapphireSun »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #11
spenuke wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of music has what's known as a meter, which is a cyclical pattern. Just like we can think of time in terms of a neverending stream of occurrences, or choose to think in terms of a 7-day week, we simplify the understanding of musical events by counting in a regularly repeating meter . This song's meter is in 4/4, which means you count 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4, etc. along with the very pulse you feel. Tap your…

After reading your comment, I realized that I was counting at half the speed I was supposed to.

Only for common (4/4) time. That's the most popular one though. ;)

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Post by rlucas »

My circle of friends used to joke about the "Republican Test." You administer it like this: play the song "I Heard It Through the Grapevine," ideally the Marvin Gaye version, and ask the subject to "clap along with the music" however he or she feels.

Our unscientific observations showed a high correlation with 1/3 clapping and being old, square, uptight, or an alien from an unfunky and obsolete dying planet.

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Post by dekhn »

nitid_name wrote: post #15
conitpicker wrote: post #4

slide 28 (tabla player gets in the groove..) is fascinating.

I would like to hear his "complicated sixteenth note patterns."

The spoken introduction in this album walks you through some basics of indian classical music. http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Indian-Music-Album-Versio...

he walks you through the 16 beat cycle and counts things off.

he also make a very interest comment about jazz.

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Post by thornofmight »

"We can determine the “metric salience” of each event in a rhythmic pattern by“recursively breaking down a musical pattern (with an initially specified length)into subpatterns of equal length.” The more subdivisions it takes to reach a given event, the lower its metrical salience. In 4/4 time, the downbeat is themost salient position, followed by beat three. It would seem natural to clap onthe strongest, most salient beat."

Anybody know what this quote is trying to say? What is a "given event"?

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