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Mapillary in the OpenStreetMap iD Editor

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Re: Mapillary in the OpenStreetMap iD Editor

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Note that Mapillary has some downsides. In addition to the CC-BY-SA license, the Mapillary T&C ( http://www.mapillary.com/terms.html 1.3) give them the specific right to reuse user content as they wish, without attribution. (This is different from OSM, which uses the ODbL.) Also, even though the license is CC-BY-SA, section 1.2 of the T&C prohibits commercial use. Further, I see no data dumps provided (or statement o…

Either it's CC-BY-SA or it isn't. Maybe someone from Mapillary could comment.

Re: Mapillary in the OpenStreetMap iD Editor

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Misleading title. openstreetmap.org doesn't have a Street View function. Mapillary has been integrated into the default _editor_ (the wonderful iD) as an aid to mapping. It's not exposed to non-editing users.

Sorry, that is totally right. It's about the iD editor, nothing else.

Re: Mapillary in the OpenStreetMap iD Editor

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Note that Mapillary has some downsides. In addition to the CC-BY-SA license, the Mapillary T&C ( http://www.mapillary.com/terms.html 1.3) give them the specific right to reuse user content as they wish, without attribution. (This is different from OSM, which uses the ODbL.) Also, even though the license is CC-BY-SA, section 1.2 of the T&C prohibits commercial use. Further, I see no data dumps provided (or statement o…

Either it's CC-BY-SA or it isn't. Maybe someone from Mapillary could comment.

Maybe the relevant section is left over from the previous license, which was CC-BY-NC (http://blog.mapillary.com/update/2014/03/17/mapillary-goes-c...). Alternatively, IANAL but I imagine that the individual photos could still be CC-BY-SA (if, e.g., someone else redistributes them) but that the service itself cannot be used for commercial purposes. As bulk exports are prohibited (2.1) and dumps are not provided, however, this would mean that the data is CC-BY-SA in theory but hard to reuse commercially except for individual pictures.

Re: Mapillary in the OpenStreetMap iD Editor

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post #11
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Note that Mapillary has some downsides. In addition to the CC-BY-SA license, the Mapillary T&C ( http://www.mapillary.com/terms.html 1.3) give them the specific right to reuse user content as they wish, without attribution. (This is different from OSM, which uses the ODbL.) Also, even though the license is CC-BY-SA, section 1.2 of the T&C prohibits commercial use. Further, I see no data dumps provided (or statement o…

Either it's CC-BY-SA or it isn't. Maybe someone from Mapillary could comment.

The images are indeed CC-BY-SA. Mapillary has an API / Apps etc which could be restricted under the terms they have published. The use of the services can be seen as being different from the image data.

e.g. Business plans: http://www.mapillary.com/business.html "The commercial plans only regulate the use of the APIs, the photos are still under Creative Commons."

Re: Mapillary in the OpenStreetMap iD Editor

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Either it's CC-BY-SA or it isn't. Maybe someone from Mapillary could comment.

Maybe the relevant section is left over from the previous license, which was CC-BY-NC ( http://blog.mapillary.com/update/2014/03/17/mapillary-goes-c... ). Alternatively, IANAL but I imagine that the individual photos could still be CC-BY-SA (if, e.g., someone else redistributes them) but that the service itself cannot be used for commercial purposes. As bulk exports are prohibited (2.1) and dumps are not provided, ho…

The crucial information is the lat/long of each photo. If that's not licensed openly (and, as metadata, CC0 or ODbL would be better suited than CC-BY-SA) then it's just a nice collection of photos.

Re: Mapillary in the OpenStreetMap iD Editor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either it's CC-BY-SA or it isn't. Maybe someone from Mapillary could comment.

The images are indeed CC-BY-SA. Mapillary has an API / Apps etc which could be restricted under the terms they have published. The use of the services can be seen as being different from the image data. e.g. Business plans: http://www.mapillary.com/business.html "The commercial plans only regulate the use of the APIs, the photos are still under Creative Commons."

So "you can use these images freely, but you have to first acquire them through our API, which you may not use quite freely," or am I missing something? This doesn't seem to make much sense.

Re: Mapillary in the OpenStreetMap iD Editor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The images are indeed CC-BY-SA. Mapillary has an API / Apps etc which could be restricted under the terms they have published. The use of the services can be seen as being different from the image data. e.g. Business plans: http://www.mapillary.com/business.html "The commercial plans only regulate the use of the APIs, the photos are still under Creative Commons."

So "you can use these images freely, but you have to first acquire them through our API, which you may not use quite freely," or am I missing something? This doesn't seem to make much sense.

Is it like Disneyland, where you pay at the gate and then enjoy whatever attractions you like? Or an all-you-can-eat buffet.

Re: Mapillary in the OpenStreetMap iD Editor

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post #11
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Note that Mapillary has some downsides. In addition to the CC-BY-SA license, the Mapillary T&C ( http://www.mapillary.com/terms.html 1.3) give them the specific right to reuse user content as they wish, without attribution. (This is different from OSM, which uses the ODbL.) Also, even though the license is CC-BY-SA, section 1.2 of the T&C prohibits commercial use. Further, I see no data dumps provided (or statement o…

Either it's CC-BY-SA or it isn't. Maybe someone from Mapillary could comment.

To clarify: * Outgoing license is CC-BY-SA. "Mapillary Photos are available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License (CC BY-SA 4.0)." from http://www.mapillary.com/legal.html * OSM has an explicit right to take data under their contributor terms http://www.mapillary.com/osm.html * The incoming license is per Mapillary ToS because we want to be able to use the photos for 3D/street view/recognition/etc

Also we do give attribution to photographers under every single photo.

(I'm on the Mapillary team)

Re: Mapillary in the OpenStreetMap iD Editor

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the relevant section is left over from the previous license, which was CC-BY-NC ( http://blog.mapillary.com/update/2014/03/17/mapillary-goes-c... ). Alternatively, IANAL but I imagine that the individual photos could still be CC-BY-SA (if, e.g., someone else redistributes them) but that the service itself cannot be used for commercial purposes. As bulk exports are prohibited (2.1) and dumps are not provided, ho…

The crucial information is the lat/long of each photo. If that's not licensed openly (and, as metadata, CC0 or ODbL would be better suited than CC-BY-SA) then it's just a nice collection of photos.

Exactly. I can't see me contributing to this if I can't be sure I'll be able to get all the pictures with all their metadata. There have been enough services built thanks to user contributions that closed their data later on. I think we deserve guarantees that this isn't going to happen.
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