Protest at SF City Hall After Soccer Conflict with Dropbox, Airbnb Employees • Hacker News Board

Re: Protest at SF City Hall After Soccer Conflict with Dropbox, Airbnb Employees

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Post by wtbob » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:36 PM UTC

esturk wrote: post #6

msie wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can't the locals deal with a reservation system? The fields are a shared resource paid for by all SF taxpayers, not just the local community. It seems the city did its best to inform everyone of the reservation system but some people will just ignore the rules. Not that I think it's right that the kids can't use the fields in the evening. I don't know all the details. Maybe there are some evenings blocked off for…

The point you're glossing over is the kids have no representation in the local city council. Yeah, people go on making laws and claiming they know what's best for children, but no one ever bother to ask them. In another extreme case, some adults entirely dismiss the kid's perspective claiming these issues go over their head. This didn't turn into a gentrification issue as it is very much a class struggle issue from t…

> The point you're glossing over is the kids have no representation in the local city council.

Nonsense; they have the same representation anyone else in San Francisco has. The fact that they cannot vote doors not mean that they are not represented.

Moreover, this being America, their parents or guardians can vote.

Re: Protest at SF City Hall After Soccer Conflict with Dropbox, Airbnb Employees

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Post by DanBC » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:44 PM UTC

Pretty clueless of Dropbox employees to kick people out of the park.

Give up the game, but let people know about the reservation system; offer company funding to book community sessions; get someone else to do the enforcing so it's them who look bad.

Re: Protest at SF City Hall After Soccer Conflict with Dropbox, Airbnb Employees

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Post by ollysb » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 2:51 PM UTC

jbob2000 wrote: post #9

This is a good lesson in economics for the kids. When something is in demand and it has limited supply, the price increases. Simple as that.

Do you believe that every aspect of life should have a price tag on it? (Serious question). In a wealthy country is it not desirable to redistribute some wealth to the young, old and sick? Communal park areas have been a standing feature of western countries. By supporting pay for access you belie not your wealth but a sense of entitlement.

Re: Protest at SF City Hall After Soccer Conflict with Dropbox, Airbnb Employees

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Post by jack-r-abbit » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 4:24 PM UTC

So... let me get this straight. A group of people (it doesn't make any difference that they were Dropbox/Airbnb employees) show up to play a game on a field they reserved through the proper channels and they find the field occupied so they ask them to leave. Why are they the bad guys here? If a neighborhood family had reserved the field for a soccer themed birthday party for a 6 year old, would they have been blasted like this? Doubtful. But oh snap... we have some techies so let's blast them for following the rules. Stupid.

Re: Protest at SF City Hall After Soccer Conflict with Dropbox, Airbnb Employees

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Post by jbob2000 » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 5:58 PM UTC

ollysb wrote: post #13

jbob2000 wrote: post #9

This is a good lesson in economics for the kids. When something is in demand and it has limited supply, the price increases. Simple as that.

Do you believe that every aspect of life should have a price tag on it? (Serious question). In a wealthy country is it not desirable to redistribute some wealth to the young, old and sick? Communal park areas have been a standing feature of western countries. By supporting pay for access you belie not your wealth but a sense of entitlement.

I don't disagree with you, but The US is the bastion of capitalism. Redistribution of wealth sounds a lot like communism and they don't tolerate those types around there. 'murica!

Re: Protest at SF City Hall After Soccer Conflict with Dropbox, Airbnb Employees

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Post by mynewwork » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 6:04 PM UTC

ollysb wrote: post #13

jbob2000 wrote: post #9

This is a good lesson in economics for the kids. When something is in demand and it has limited supply, the price increases. Simple as that.

Do you believe that every aspect of life should have a price tag on it? (Serious question). In a wealthy country is it not desirable to redistribute some wealth to the young, old and sick? Communal park areas have been a standing feature of western countries. By supporting pay for access you belie not your wealth but a sense of entitlement.

Did you read the article? "As part of that, there was a new reservation system on certain nights of the week for a $27 permit...left the park open for drop-in play 96 percent of the time".

So 96% of the time, the park is open to everyone and 4% of the time the park can be reserved for a price which is equal to 2.5 hours of work at the local minimum wage.

One could easily argue that the people showing an unreasonable entitlement are the ones who think they should get to use the park in the tiny sliver of time where someone else has paid the city to reserve it for an organized game.

Re: Protest at SF City Hall After Soccer Conflict with Dropbox, Airbnb Employees

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Post by x0x0 » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 8:45 PM UTC

wtbob wrote: post #11

esturk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point you're glossing over is the kids have no representation in the local city council. Yeah, people go on making laws and claiming they know what's best for children, but no one ever bother to ask them. In another extreme case, some adults entirely dismiss the kid's perspective claiming these issues go over their head. This didn't turn into a gentrification issue as it is very much a class struggle issue from t…

> The point you're glossing over is the kids have no representation in the local city council. Nonsense; they have the same representation anyone else in San Francisco has. The fact that they cannot vote doors not mean that they are not represented. Moreover, this being America, their parents or guardians can vote.

If you seriously believe that poor people, middle class, and upper class people all get the same representation in sf -- or anywhere in America -- and the same returns to their tax dollars, you're a willfully blind idiot. After all, whose kids just got prime hours in the local parks auctioned off?

Re: Protest at SF City Hall After Soccer Conflict with Dropbox, Airbnb Employees

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Post by ollysb » Sat, Oct 18, 2014, 3:07 AM UTC

mynewwork wrote: post #16

ollysb wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe that every aspect of life should have a price tag on it? (Serious question). In a wealthy country is it not desirable to redistribute some wealth to the young, old and sick? Communal park areas have been a standing feature of western countries. By supporting pay for access you belie not your wealth but a sense of entitlement.

Did you read the article? "As part of that, there was a new reservation system on certain nights of the week for a $27 permit...left the park open for drop-in play 96 percent of the time". So 96% of the time, the park is open to everyone and 4% of the time the park can be reserved for a price which is equal to 2.5 hours of work at the local minimum wage. One could easily argue that the people showing an unreasonable…

>> One could easily argue that the people showing an unreasonable entitlement are the ones who think they should get to use the park in the tiny sliver of time where someone else has paid the city to reserve it for an organized game.

Your argument seems to be based on the idea that people with money intrinsically have more right to something than those who do not. I understand this is the prominent view in the US but there are other ways to do it(there's a big gap between communism and ultra-capitalism). Look to the scandinavian countries for instance where they place a far great emphasis on wealth redistribution and community support through better schooling and healthcare.

Re: Protest at SF City Hall After Soccer Conflict with Dropbox, Airbnb Employees

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Post by phesse14 » Sun, Oct 26, 2014, 5:19 PM UTC

I've just read this and the whole story sounds extremely weird to me... I don't know how things are done over there in SF, but from my point of view there's no need to go to a City Town Hall to solve this...you book online, show up and play. It looks more a way to feed the Tech Hype rather than a real problem but...