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Why Does Spain Have the World's Highest Concentration of Elevators?

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I find it fascinating that despite not having the house+back yard that many Americans strive for, the Spanish are happier with their housing situations than we are. As a recently minted homeowner myself, I must say I can see the attraction of apartment living more than I could before. This house is a lot nicer and bigger than our apartment was, but damned if I'm not having to replace the sewer line, the patio, and va…

> I find it fascinating that despite not having the house+back yard that many Americans strive for

As someone who spent the majority of their early childhood (ages 3 to 9) in such a house, then lived in an apartment in a city (without an elevator on top floor), I never understood why anyone would want a house.

What do you even do with that much space? I live in a very comfortable 52m^2 (560 ft^2) studio and I don't have enough stuff to fill even half the storage space. Sure the kitchen is a bit small, and I guess the bathroom could be slightly more comfortable, but you can solve those with a bigger apartment; a house adds whole extra rooms.

Seriously, what do people do with that much room? Granted if you have a kid and a spouse you'd want something more than a studio, but my mum's apartment is about the same size as my studio and was a 2-bedroom. The three of us (mum, sis, and me) lived there for 15 years together and we were perfectly fine.

Hell even when it was four of us (dad as well) and we lived in that giant house, we only really lived on ground floor, which was essentially a 2-bedroom apartment, and the attic and basement were pretty much empty and/or filled with a bunch of junk.

From the best of my observation, houses are expensive, take up a lot of time, and largely empty/useless.

Re: Why Does Spain Have the World's Highest Concentration of Elevators?

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I find it fascinating that despite not having the house+back yard that many Americans strive for, the Spanish are happier with their housing situations than we are. As a recently minted homeowner myself, I must say I can see the attraction of apartment living more than I could before. This house is a lot nicer and bigger than our apartment was, but damned if I'm not having to replace the sewer line, the patio, and va…

> I find it fascinating that despite not having the house+back yard that many Americans strive for, the Spanish are happier with their housing situations than we are.

Why would American standards matter to how satisfied Spaniards are? This sentence in isolation seems weird. Is there a wider context?

Re: Why Does Spain Have the World's Highest Concentration of Elevators?

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The magazine says this is because so many Spaniards live in lots of apartment buildings. But their graph shows that Spain has 19.8 elevators per 1000 people, while Hong Kong (!!) has only 10. Wait, what? This smells like someone is forgetting a variable. In this case, it's probably the density of elevators per occupant. I'm guessing that Spain has lots buildings just barely too tall to be walk-ups. That's a much less…

Yup, this is exactly correct. The buildings here in Valencia are 6-10 floors on average.

An elevator serving 50 stories should count more than one stopping at only 10 stories. A better measure would be total elevator stops but as usual you are stuck with the available data - especially difficult to overcome with mult-country data like this.

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post #7

"Homeownership Rates in Select European Countries" -- That graph left out some of the countries mentioned in previous graphs that actually have higher home ownership rates :)

I was also looking for eastern european countries, who suddenly disappeared from the scope...

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I find it fascinating that despite not having the house+back yard that many Americans strive for, the Spanish are happier with their housing situations than we are. As a recently minted homeowner myself, I must say I can see the attraction of apartment living more than I could before. This house is a lot nicer and bigger than our apartment was, but damned if I'm not having to replace the sewer line, the patio, and va…

Happier? Don't get it wrong, people here can't afford other thing. Those who live in "house+back yard" style houses bought it decades ago or inherited from their parents.

Happier in terms of a higher rate of "satisfaction with current living situation"

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post #11

I find it fascinating that despite not having the house+back yard that many Americans strive for, the Spanish are happier with their housing situations than we are. As a recently minted homeowner myself, I must say I can see the attraction of apartment living more than I could before. This house is a lot nicer and bigger than our apartment was, but damned if I'm not having to replace the sewer line, the patio, and va…

> I find it fascinating that despite not having the house+back yard that many Americans strive for As someone who spent the majority of their early childhood (ages 3 to 9) in such a house, then lived in an apartment in a city (without an elevator on top floor), I never understood why anyone would want a house. What do you even do with that much space? I live in a very comfortable 52m^2 (560 ft^2) studio and I don't h…

I'd be happy in a flat or a house. The right space is more important. I live in a small 2 bedroom house and I wish I just had a tiny 2m square study, somewhere which was my own space where I could e.g. safely leave my soldering iron set up and my kids wouldn't mess with it. Also my kids share a room and they don't have enough space to play Lego without having to put it away at the end of the day. I would really like it if they could have thier own rooms or a small playroom. I'm pretty sure this is not good for them or me. Also a utility room for the washing.

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post #11

I find it fascinating that despite not having the house+back yard that many Americans strive for, the Spanish are happier with their housing situations than we are. As a recently minted homeowner myself, I must say I can see the attraction of apartment living more than I could before. This house is a lot nicer and bigger than our apartment was, but damned if I'm not having to replace the sewer line, the patio, and va…

> I find it fascinating that despite not having the house+back yard that many Americans strive for As someone who spent the majority of their early childhood (ages 3 to 9) in such a house, then lived in an apartment in a city (without an elevator on top floor), I never understood why anyone would want a house. What do you even do with that much space? I live in a very comfortable 52m^2 (560 ft^2) studio and I don't h…

If you have any hobbies, they can take up a lot of storage space. You may want to dedicate a room to them.

You may want an office in which to work or study without interruption from a spouse or children.

Many people enjoy having ample bathroom counter space for products.

A backyard can a safe place for children or pets to play.

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post #11

I find it fascinating that despite not having the house+back yard that many Americans strive for, the Spanish are happier with their housing situations than we are. As a recently minted homeowner myself, I must say I can see the attraction of apartment living more than I could before. This house is a lot nicer and bigger than our apartment was, but damned if I'm not having to replace the sewer line, the patio, and va…

> I find it fascinating that despite not having the house+back yard that many Americans strive for As someone who spent the majority of their early childhood (ages 3 to 9) in such a house, then lived in an apartment in a city (without an elevator on top floor), I never understood why anyone would want a house. What do you even do with that much space? I live in a very comfortable 52m^2 (560 ft^2) studio and I don't h…

> What do you even do with that much space?

Whatever you want

Re: Why Does Spain Have the World's Highest Concentration of Elevators?

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post #6

The magazine says this is because so many Spaniards live in lots of apartment buildings. But their graph shows that Spain has 19.8 elevators per 1000 people, while Hong Kong (!!) has only 10. Wait, what? This smells like someone is forgetting a variable. In this case, it's probably the density of elevators per occupant. I'm guessing that Spain has lots buildings just barely too tall to be walk-ups. That's a much less…

Buildings in Hong Kong are much taller on average therefore you don't need as many elevator instances to serve them. About 150m is the best height to optimise elevator floor area take versus area gained from additional floors. From the other comment, buildings in Spain tend to be 6-10 storeys (20-30m) whereas at a guess I would say that the average height in Hong Kong is much closer to 150m, hence the more efficient use of elevators per head of population.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, this is exactly correct. The buildings here in Valencia are 6-10 floors on average.

An elevator serving 50 stories should count more than one stopping at only 10 stories. A better measure would be total elevator stops but as usual you are stuck with the available data - especially difficult to overcome with mult-country data like this.

The solution would be to count meters of elevator per person.
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