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Re: This Is What Common Core Looks Like

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> They cannot help their children. The math makes no sense and seems to offer no practical purpose other than it is new.

First of all parents were not able to help their children with old methods either. Give someone a pen and paper and ask them how to add 17% to 58. You don't want an answer - just a working method. A lot of people can't do this on paper, but that's okay because we have computers to do that stuff. Lots of people can't add 17% to 58 using a computer. I find that a bit scary.

Going on to the example: I'm pretty stupid; I've often said that I am hopeless at math. I found that single example really easy to understand. I've not had any exposure to similar examples. I don't believe the author is actually baffled by the example. Perhaps a book might help?

http://www.robeastaway.com/books/maths-for-mums-and-dads

> What on earth are number bonds? What are partitioning and chunking? And why does my child look blank - or have a tantrum - when I demonstrate long multiplication? This book is for mums, dads and grandparents who want to help their primary school children or grandchildren with maths. To do so, many parents find they need to overcome their own rustiness and also to learn the strange new methods and terminology. Throughout the book are games, puzzles and examples of amusing ways in which kids ingeniously 'get it wrong'.

Re: This Is What Common Core Looks Like

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Back in the days before computerized cash registers, this was typically how cashiers made change. Hand one $5 for a $1.34 purchase, and the cashier counts it back out as (penny) $1.35 (nickel) $1.50 (quarters) $1.75, $2 (dollar bills) $3, $4, $5 Some still do it that way. In Teacher in America , chapter "Let x Equal ...", Jacques Barzun mentioned as an example of widespread innumeracy the half-trained cashiers who di…

This is a nice observation.

I remember being given change-making assignments in school, and being unable to complete them because I was not sure that the greedy algorithm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Change-making_problem#Greedy_me...) would always give the optimal result.

I was not able to articulate the reason for my uneasiness until years after I had failed to complete the work.

Re: This Is What Common Core Looks Like

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Common Core is just fine as a set of standards and has a good shot at being adopted around the world, so we need to get over it. Common Core is going to lead to a lot more innovative solutions, because the market of students on it will be large. It's very nice from a computer science standpoint as well. Check out the game we built at Zeal. While it's a nice simple game on the surface, behind the scenes we are maintaining a complete map of everything every child has mastered in Common Core Math and Literacy K-8, which lets us figure out an ordering of skills to learn and what to do if a child is struggling on a given skill. This is the kind of thing that has been solved in every other industry, but Common Core enables in education.

Re: This Is What Common Core Looks Like

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The first two paragraphs illustrate a huge problem with US math education, which pre-dates common core, but is reinforced by it.

That problem is the false belief that numeracy is improved by learning different ways of looking at number operations. (i.e. four ways to subtract).

Our child's second-grade teacher (a very good teacher) has a poster illustrating 7 ways to subtract. Seven ways, no exaggeration. This poster is older than common core.

Students learn math just like they learn to kick a ball. By practicing. Learn one way to subtract, and practice it really really well. Or learn two ways, and practice each way really, really well. Learn more ways if you want, but practice each way really really well. Most math curriculums assume that learning multiple ways is equivalent to (or better than) practicing one way. They don't require the repetitive practice.

As comments have pointed out, the common core standards don't explicitly require this multi-way approach. But the CC standards compound the problem by requiring students to explain concepts in order to demonstrate mastery. Completing lots of subtraction problems with a low rate of error doesn't count. You must explain, in order to understand. And if you really understand, shouldn't you be able to explain different approaches?

I would say no. Or at least, not yet. I don't want a third-grader explaining how to subtract unless they can also finish 50 subtraction problems in a row without pausing to struggle. And if they get the problems right? Good job, you get an A. Wonderful, let's skip grading the explanation because that is subjective as hell.

TL/DR: The article rightly points out a crap way to teach math. Common core is not totally to blame, but it makes a bad problem worse.

Re: This Is What Common Core Looks Like

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The first two paragraphs illustrate a huge problem with US math education, which pre-dates common core, but is reinforced by it. That problem is the false belief that numeracy is improved by learning different ways of looking at number operations. (i.e. four ways to subtract). Our child's second-grade teacher (a very good teacher) has a poster illustrating 7 ways to subtract. Seven ways, no exaggeration. This poster…

Children learn by getting things wrong. A child doing the sum and getting the wrong answer may be learning as much as a child doing the sum and getting the right answer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04dwbkt

Most relevant is probably this one: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04gw6rh

Re: This Is What Common Core Looks Like

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Back in the days before computerized cash registers, this was typically how cashiers made change. Hand one $5 for a $1.34 purchase, and the cashier counts it back out as (penny) $1.35 (nickel) $1.50 (quarters) $1.75, $2 (dollar bills) $3, $4, $5 Some still do it that way. In Teacher in America , chapter "Let x Equal ...", Jacques Barzun mentioned as an example of widespread innumeracy the half-trained cashiers who di…

It's actually a very useful method for quickly finding the difference between two numbers. And I would think that any computer programmer would appreciate the algorithm. The algorithm is a classic divide-and-conquer technique that is perfect for quickly performing arithmetic in ones head. And it would also be a good entre into teaching things like associativity and commutativity.

I use something similar to avoid getting too much change at a cashier, and to use up loose change (pennies, nickels, etc), except I usually count down and add in the difference. So, for example, if some bubble gum cost $1.28, I might give the cashier $2.03. Then, assuming the bewildered cashier doesn't try to give me the pennies back, I get three quarters for laundry, instead of two quarters, two dimes, and two pennies.

If I don't need laundry change, I'll count up or down searching for the amount that will maximally reduce the number of coins in my pocket (without avoiding bills, which would just be annoying to everybody). With practice you can do this in a split second, and it really blows the mind of some cashiers.

Isaac Asimov said something to the effect that smart people will tend to figure out these algorithms on their own. So it's kind of ironic that now somebody is complaining that it's being taught to kids. I suppose the only real legitimate criticism here is that, according to the link, there's only one example of this method, and then it's never mentioned again. If anything, it should be expounded upon.

Re: This Is What Common Core Looks Like

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Perhaps more disturbing than the author's inability to understand a simple procedure in a third-grade math text is his attempt to cast Common Core as part of an overarching conspiracy of corporations and (of course) government to turn our little ones into docile robots. This is what a nut case looks like.

Re: This Is What Common Core Looks Like

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The first two paragraphs illustrate a huge problem with US math education, which pre-dates common core, but is reinforced by it. That problem is the false belief that numeracy is improved by learning different ways of looking at number operations. (i.e. four ways to subtract). Our child's second-grade teacher (a very good teacher) has a poster illustrating 7 ways to subtract. Seven ways, no exaggeration. This poster…

Which programmer would you rather hire: the one who memorized a particular algorithm but has no idea how it works, or someone who can develop it from first principles and enlightened judgment?

There's no strong reason to glorify one particular subtraction algorithm over another, especially since the actual use case for it is relatively rare.

Re: This Is What Common Core Looks Like

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Common core is not a curriculum. It is not a textbook. It is not a method of subtraction. There are badly-written textbooks both in and outside of Common Core. Edit: Here we go, Common Core math standards. Grade 2 starts on page 17. http://www.corestandards.org/wp-content/uploads/Math_Standar... Have a look, it's only 4 pages long. To be specific, this is a third-grade textbook. Students learn subtraction in previous…

Just to be clear "But standardized tests, the SAT, and the ACT are all moving over to Common Core. So our child has to learn this insanity." which implies that standardized tests test for this particular "counting up" subtraction method. If I understand your statement you are saying that this is not the case. Right?

It's really hard for a standardized test to measure how you subtracted. (Yes, I am aware that it could be done.) But what it really measures is, can you subtract? Do you get the right answers?

Personally, I don't like this approach, because to do one subtraction, you have to do four additions. That's kind of inefficient, in my view. But as sp332 pointed out, the kids should already know how to subtract numbers by this point. If a kid didn't get it before, this curriculum throws a new method at them, hoping that this one will make sense to them. I'm not sure that I have a problem with the approach (though it wouldn't hurt tweak it so as to not confuse the kids who already know how to subtract).

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