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Sebastian Thrun Has Left His Role as Google VP and Fellow

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Re: Sebastian Thrun Has Left His Role as Google VP and Fellow

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Is Google X anything more than a PR heavy version of Xerox PARC or any other R&D lab that tech companies have had?

My former boss (CTO of Panasonic) once told me that the only way to do real R&D is to have a monopoly that allows you to hide the margins in cutting edge R&D. Everyone else was doing just product development. Google X is amazing in that it is about the only one left doing true bluesky R&D. Everyone else is just doing product development.

What about Microsoft Research?

Re: Sebastian Thrun Has Left His Role as Google VP and Fellow

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My former boss (CTO of Panasonic) once told me that the only way to do real R&D is to have a monopoly that allows you to hide the margins in cutting edge R&D. Everyone else was doing just product development. Google X is amazing in that it is about the only one left doing true bluesky R&D. Everyone else is just doing product development.

What about Microsoft Research?

http://www.eweek.com/it-management/microsoft-lays-off-2100-c...

what about them?

Re: Sebastian Thrun Has Left His Role as Google VP and Fellow

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Is Google X anything more than a PR heavy version of Xerox PARC or any other R&D lab that tech companies have had?

My former boss (CTO of Panasonic) once told me that the only way to do real R&D is to have a monopoly that allows you to hide the margins in cutting edge R&D. Everyone else was doing just product development. Google X is amazing in that it is about the only one left doing true bluesky R&D. Everyone else is just doing product development.

I heard an old timer describe it well ... true research needs to be altruistic. Today, I think this can only be done through govt sponsorship. In places like Canada, my impression is that even the stewards who dole out govt funding have forgotten what true research means. They dole out money for commercializing innovation, which is not research by definition. From what I've heard from other scientists, the US is doing a better job. They are focusing their research dollars on 'promising' areas. This isn't as bluesky but at least it is research.

Re: Sebastian Thrun Has Left His Role as Google VP and Fellow

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about Microsoft Research?

http://www.eweek.com/it-management/microsoft-lays-off-2100-c... what about them?

According to your link, there were 75 people at that lab. Microsoft Research has over 800 people:

http://research.microsoft.com/apps/catalog/default.aspx?t=pe...

Re: Sebastian Thrun Has Left His Role as Google VP and Fellow

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about Microsoft Research?

http://www.eweek.com/it-management/microsoft-lays-off-2100-c... what about them?

That headline is confusingly worded, but Microsoft only laid off 50-75 people in one MSR location. That was far from the entire division: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/labs/default.aspx

Re: Sebastian Thrun Has Left His Role as Google VP and Fellow

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Ironically, if he has left to concentrate on Udacity, my own belief is that he is a poor teacher. Of course it depends on which pedagogical teat you are sucking from, but my experience of Thrun's delivered Udacity courses is poor. Many of his video segments seem to involve him slavishly following his 'script', occasionally hissing out encouraging phrases such as 'Isn't this great!'. He hasn't sequenced a series of logical teaching moments in which the concepts flow nicely. It's as if he's decided his first draft is good enough. Just my opinion of course.

Re: Sebastian Thrun Has Left His Role as Google VP and Fellow

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Is Google X anything more than a PR heavy version of Xerox PARC or any other R&D lab that tech companies have had?

Well, at least three of its products are being used in the real world (Glass, Loon, Self-driving cars) and at least one is actually being sold (Glass), so yes.

I think you typed "yes" where you meant "no." Tech company R&D gave us things like the transistor and lasers (both from AT&T) and Mandelbrot fractals and hard drives and the entire concept of a relational database (all from IBM).

PARC in specific gave us Ethernet, which I think is safe to describe as "being used in the real world."

Google has a long way to go; so far, all of its real contributions have been in software, and all of their hardware R&D has seen very little "real world" deployment. Otherwise it's very much just a well-marketed implementation of traditional corporate R&D.

Re: Sebastian Thrun Has Left His Role as Google VP and Fellow

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Is Google X anything more than a PR heavy version of Xerox PARC or any other R&D lab that tech companies have had?

My former boss (CTO of Panasonic) once told me that the only way to do real R&D is to have a monopoly that allows you to hide the margins in cutting edge R&D. Everyone else was doing just product development. Google X is amazing in that it is about the only one left doing true bluesky R&D. Everyone else is just doing product development.

>only way to do real R&D is to have a monopoly that allows you to hide the margins in cutting edge R&D

This idea is from Joseph Schumpeter. The same guy who coined the phrase "creative destruction."

Re: Sebastian Thrun Has Left His Role as Google VP and Fellow

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Ironically, if he has left to concentrate on Udacity, my own belief is that he is a poor teacher. Of course it depends on which pedagogical teat you are sucking from, but my experience of Thrun's delivered Udacity courses is poor. Many of his video segments seem to involve him slavishly following his 'script', occasionally hissing out encouraging phrases such as 'Isn't this great!'. He hasn't sequenced a series of lo…

Udacity has done what any good start-up should and launched a solid MVP and iterated on it, delivering free, in-demand courses in a short amount of time. No, the materials and scripts have not always perfect but they are still more valuable than many college courses I've taken. If he is in fact leaving to focus energy on Udacity, isn't that a positive move in regards to your critiques?

Re: Sebastian Thrun Has Left His Role as Google VP and Fellow

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Ironically, if he has left to concentrate on Udacity, my own belief is that he is a poor teacher. Of course it depends on which pedagogical teat you are sucking from, but my experience of Thrun's delivered Udacity courses is poor. Many of his video segments seem to involve him slavishly following his 'script', occasionally hissing out encouraging phrases such as 'Isn't this great!'. He hasn't sequenced a series of lo…

Udacity has done what any good start-up should and launched a solid MVP and iterated on it, delivering free, in-demand courses in a short amount of time. No, the materials and scripts have not always perfect but they are still more valuable than many college courses I've taken. If he is in fact leaving to focus energy on Udacity, isn't that a positive move in regards to your critiques?

Yes, you make a good point. My opinion - and that's all that it is - is that his (many) abilities lie in the Google [x] direction, not as a poster boy for MOOCs.
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