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There's one particular thing about Christianity though. Well OK, a couple of things, one it's kind of a modern less complex flavor of Judaism, no offense meant to any Hebrews reading this. First, the similarity between the practice of Judaism and Christianity is the product of the last century or so. At the time, the ideas of, e.g., Paul diverged significantly from contemporary Jewish thinking. Second, if you don't w…
Why, not? It's archaic and not strictly a synonym, but why would it be offensive. I understand that those that use it, usually mean offense, but there is no real reason for it. In lots of languages it is not derogatory.
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Why, not? It's archaic and not strictly a synonym, but why would it be offensive. I understand that those that use it, usually mean offense, but there is no real reason for it. In lots of languages it is not derogatory.
Equating a religious group with an ethnic one is mistaken (like saying 'Arabs when 'Muslims is meant), regardless of whether anyone is offended.
Hebrews is a different issue. Jewish is actually Judah-ite, from the tribe of Judah. These were (according to the tradition) the surviving tribe of the Israelites or People of Israel. People is actually a bit misleading. In Hebrew it uses the word normally translated as 'Nation'. In modern times, the relationship between Judah & Jewish has been blurred since some groups trace their heritage to other (lost) tribes.
In any case, all of these equally refer to an ethnic group though you could argue that they are not exact synonyms. This is not just about the origin of the words. It is also the religious tradition. Jewish is not a Religion in the sense that Islam or Christianity are. It are not something you chose. It is not something you can stop and it is not something that anybody who is not (ethnically) Jewish is required or encouraged to join. Basically, the "religion" as you would probably call it doesn't distinguish between religion and ethnic group. The members of this ethnic-religious do not usually do so either. That is, many secular, atheist Jews describe themselves as Jewish, and behave in someway that indicates this.
Hebrews & Israelites, People of Israel, are as far a I know, used interchangeably in the old testament. In modern Hebrew all but the most pedantic (and religious) will use Israelites interchangeably with Jews. Secular Jews are unlikely to say Jews. "Hebrews" is not really used in modern Hebrew unless making some sort of biblical reference. In some languages it has a derogatory ring but in some languages describing someone as a Jew/Hebrew/Israelite is derogatory regardless of the word you use.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's one particular thing about Christianity though. Well OK, a couple of things, one it's kind of a modern less complex flavor of Judaism, no offense meant to any Hebrews reading this. First, the similarity between the practice of Judaism and Christianity is the product of the last century or so. At the time, the ideas of, e.g., Paul diverged significantly from contemporary Jewish thinking. Second, if you don't w…
Why, not? It's archaic and not strictly a synonym, but why would it be offensive. I understand that those that use it, usually mean offense, but there is no real reason for it. In lots of languages it is not derogatory.
But s/Hebrew/Colored/. Same arguments apply, but---here we are.
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#14Have any religious people here read this article? What did you think?
I was raised Christian. Around the end of college, I had a bit of a quarter-life crisis, and I ended up applying reason to my religion in the way talked about in this article. I joined a Christian missionary organization, and was determined to "go therefore in to all the world and preach the gospel to all nations", one of the typically semi-ignored Christian commands. I was also convinced that it would be a good idea…
I'm not sure you'll see this, but bringing this up should be fine now the thread has died.
Why do you feel that way about that time of your life? My experience has been exactly the opposite. When I was in high school I began questioning God. I attended a small church school with poor academics and being average and not knowing how to study in school I spent a good deal of time questioning the moral instruction I was given. (There were better reasons, caused a crisis regarding gods existence at 10. Fun.) The only difference is that I didn't accept that the reading the Bible was necessary. What bothered me most, and still does, was the apparent hypocrisy. Plenty of people in church, but none of them seemed to hold the traditional beliefs my family did. It was the little things, as well as boyfriend/girlfriend sort of things.
But, even now, after rejecting Christianity, I still have the greatest respect for those who really do believe. My grandfather who took his family to Argentina to teach college as a missionary and founded a chain of christian radio stations is probably the finest man I have ever met; my grandmother is similar. My ex-girlfriend spent last year teaching children in India. A sweetheart I wish I was with.
Due to my experiences I don't see why you were scared of the time when you sincerely followed your beliefs. To me this should be lauded, even, if I believe it is a false belief.
So, why do you feel that way?