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Re: If you want to start a startup, go work for someone else

#11

I get the "link-bait" virtues of your title(and it worked on me), but the title contradicts itself, literally. If you want to start a start up, start a start up. The body of your text also contradicts itself. One of your premises speaks to the luck nature of success. Conceding your premise, the supporting text that follows amounts to advising people to study to win the lottery. A more interesting treatment would cons…

there is no contradiction. what you want to do and what this article suggests you do instead are not mutually exclusive.

consider the (perhaps poorly guided) advice "if you want to go to Florida [i think you should] go to Hawaii [instead]".

Re: If you want to start a startup, go work for someone else

#12
I pretty sure in one of the essays PG says you should finish collage and go work for 2-3 years (or maybe it wasn't him)

I think there is no simple answer. Try defaulting to work for a few years, but if you are hacking a project while you are studying and you are convinced that you are on to something, take a year break to try it.

Re: If you want to start a startup, go work for someone else

#13
> It's unclear whether the average person learns anything from a startup.

> Entrepreneurs don't seem to learn much from their failures

There is a difference between not learning anything at all and not learning something from failures that will help in a future startup venture. I have learned a tremendous amount working at startups. I am closer to everything, nothing is in a silo and I have gotten exposure to all parts of the architecture whereas at an employer I would have been barred from infrastructure and operation tasks. There is also much more freedom to use whatever technology you want to try out, and thus you learn a lot about new programming languages and new libraries and new ways of doing things without having to get approval from layers of management and architects. You learn about your self too, your limits, you have to become independent, and self-reliant.

> Our most important finding is that the reward to the entrepreneurs who provide the ideas and long hours of hard work in these startups is zero.

Maybe if you only consider money. If you are into startups for the money alone, I feel like I would agree, stay away. If you're in a start up for the small team size, for controlling your own destiny, for being close to the customer, close to the product, and don't want to see your life's days waste away in meetings and products that never see the light of day then the value is actually immeasurable.

Re: If you want to start a startup, go work for someone else

#14
Yeah, but then there is good research and bad research. Hey should have done a bayesian analysis and iterated through all the people who've been successful with startups. What percentage of them were likely successful because of previous employment and those that weren't. How many of these guys are your zucks and gates and andreesens of the world?

Re: If you want to start a startup, go work for someone else

#15
The self-employment study says that when people who are self-employed switch to dependent employment their wages are at least as high as their dependent employment counterparts.

From an earnings perspective, that makes start ups more appealing. You can take a shot at starting your own company. If it fails, you can still make at least as much money as if you had not started your own company.

The other thing is this blog post is looking at the average outcome. If you are starting a company, you are already starting from the assumption that you are not average.

Re: If you want to start a startup, go work for someone else

#16

I've done both - worked for 2 other people's startups, founded my own, worked 5+ years at Google, now founding another. My experience is that you learn something from both, but you learn different things from each, and which will teach you more depends on what skills you need to learn. Working for someone else's startup, I learned how to quickly cobble solutions together. I learned about uncertainty and picking a dir…

I come from marketing and working on my product all by myself now. Very well said. The journey to experience and learn is very personal. Even it can not always be monetized and is less possible to be fully got by others, it's still worth it.

Re: If you want to start a startup, go work for someone else

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Very informative and amusing post. My favorite statistic was the 18% of entrepreneurs succeed the first time, and only 20% succeed the second time. > The sort of person who jumps in and gives advice to the masses without doing a lot of research first generally believes that you should jump in and do things without doing a lot of research first. Like most good polemics, this one probably overstates the case. It seems…

>My favorite statistic was the 18% of entrepreneurs succeed the first time, and only 20% succeed the second time. This is a potentially misleading stat. The second cohort only includes the failures. So clearly at least some of them learned something. It's a 36% total success rate for entrepreneurs who try twice. (Though I guess that number is missing those that try once and don't try again)

There is nothing to suggest that the second cohort only includes failures, and bear in mind that many people -- having failed -- won't try a second time -- and if they've learned anything, it will be the people who figure out they're never going to succeed who drop out. Without knowing the probability that someone who succeeds vs. fails will try again there's simply no way to tell.

Anecdotally, it's very common for entrepreneurs to start a business, wait until it's up and running, sell it, and start over. This applies both in high-tech and more prosaic areas like restaurants and gas stations. I imagine that first-time successes are very likely to try again.

Re: If you want to start a startup, go work for someone else

#18
According to the author: - 18% success rate for time founders - 20% success rate after that

Implying previous experience almost doesn't matter that much... so just trying 5 times should assure 1 success.

In that view, starting your company as soon as you can would still be the best way to get to your first success faster.

Re: If you want to start a startup, go work for someone else

#19

According to the author: - 18% success rate for time founders - 20% success rate after that Implying previous experience almost doesn't matter that much... so just trying 5 times should assure 1 success. In that view, starting your company as soon as you can would still be the best way to get to your first success faster.

Yep - if you spend 8 years working for someone else, that's 2-4 chances at a startup you've lost.

Re: If you want to start a startup, go work for someone else

#20
Glaring logical conclusion that is omitted: if there even is the slight bump in the likelihood of success having worked for someone else vs. not, it's still clear that simply the number of attempts at starting a company is still the overwhelmingly more important factor in overall success.

It doesn't dismiss the point as the author is refuting a specific claim made by PG and others (that you will be better off in your second startup having learned from doing another startup vs. having a job) but it's still worth noting.

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