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I remember installing BeOS when it came out. It was impressive and beautiful, and I really wanted it to catch on. I think I'll give Haiku a spin. With VMware, it'll be much easier this time around.

except they've been doing all of their development in virtual machines, so the actual real hardware support is quite thin.

Not really. Most of the core devs run it on bare metal. So far, I've tried it on my custom built PC, a Dell Inspiron and a Toshiba Satellite. Works perfectly.

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Be, while an innovative OS in its day for sure, is more interesting to me as a business story. Most people don't realize how close BeOS came to becoming Mac OS X. They had the inside track on the deal, and their OS was technically superior to Next's. But Gassée's determination to hold out for more money combined with the famous Steve Jobs reality distortion field to consign Be to the dustbin of history and cleared the way for Jobs's second coming at Apple. How different the tech world would be today if Gassée had said yes to Apple's initial acquisition offer. I wonder how often he thinks about the breakdown of that deal, lo these many years later.

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Just like TFA I booted Haiku in VirtualBox... Several years ago I ran the BeOS R5 livedisk, and while this is reminiscent, since I'm running in a virtual environment it falls short.

Running BeOS on the metal was amazing - setting a thread to realtime would make it really snappy, and it's just not the same when it's virtualized...

Either that or Haiku has some way to go yet - I can't tell...

EDIT: you know what? actually, this is still really impressive... it DOES behave a lot like BeOS, and it's alpha... I crashed firefox, and gdb popped right up. I dropped into a shell (bash) and there was a GNU style environment right there. That's actually really cool!

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I remember installing BeOS when it came out. It was impressive and beautiful, and I really wanted it to catch on. I think I'll give Haiku a spin. With VMware, it'll be much easier this time around.

except they've been doing all of their development in virtual machines, so the actual real hardware support is quite thin.

I don't really care about the BeOS / Haiku kernel. We could use Linux for all the h/w support there is. BeOS was impressive but I guess Linux can be made to play a dozen videos at the same time, too. And I usually stick with only one.

But the user space and the user interface are brilliant!

I would trade Gnome, KDE, Windows, OS X, or $NAMEIT for the BeOS userland any day, both as an end-user (wrt. UI) and as a developer (user-space API). I hope we'll have more choice in the future.

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Be, while an innovative OS in its day for sure, is more interesting to me as a business story. Most people don't realize how close BeOS came to becoming Mac OS X. They had the inside track on the deal, and their OS was technically superior to Next's. But Gassée's determination to hold out for more money combined with the famous Steve Jobs reality distortion field to consign Be to the dustbin of history and cleared th…

If Apple bought Be, it wouldn't have gotten Steve Jobs.

It is possible that Apple would have died, and Be would have suffered the same fate either way.

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Be, while an innovative OS in its day for sure, is more interesting to me as a business story. Most people don't realize how close BeOS came to becoming Mac OS X. They had the inside track on the deal, and their OS was technically superior to Next's. But Gassée's determination to hold out for more money combined with the famous Steve Jobs reality distortion field to consign Be to the dustbin of history and cleared th…

I don't think technical superiority is as clear cut as that. From memory BeOS was better in some areas, and NeXT in others. I'll go find out which was better where and why.

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Be, while an innovative OS in its day for sure, is more interesting to me as a business story. Most people don't realize how close BeOS came to becoming Mac OS X. They had the inside track on the deal, and their OS was technically superior to Next's. But Gassée's determination to hold out for more money combined with the famous Steve Jobs reality distortion field to consign Be to the dustbin of history and cleared th…

If Apple bought Be, it wouldn't have gotten Steve Jobs. It is possible that Apple would have died, and Be would have suffered the same fate either way.

That is possible. It is also possible that Apple would have thrived in different ways. There would likely be no iPod and no iPhone. Jobs would likely not be the legend that he is today, though of course he would still be in the history books. What is certain, though, is that Be, as both a business and a technology, and Gassée as an individual, are exponentially less successful now (by standard business metrics, not necessarily in a deeper sense) than they would have been had Gassée said yes. I wonder if that still haunts him, or if he has made peace with it.

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If Apple bought Be, it wouldn't have gotten Steve Jobs. It is possible that Apple would have died, and Be would have suffered the same fate either way.

That is possible. It is also possible that Apple would have thrived in different ways. There would likely be no iPod and no iPhone. Jobs would likely not be the legend that he is today, though of course he would still be in the history books. What is certain, though, is that Be, as both a business and a technology, and Gassée as an individual, are exponentially less successful now (by standard business metrics, not n…

  > There would likely be no iPod and no iPhone.
Why there would be no iPod? AFAIK it's not Steve Jobs who came with the idea.

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That is possible. It is also possible that Apple would have thrived in different ways. There would likely be no iPod and no iPhone. Jobs would likely not be the legend that he is today, though of course he would still be in the history books. What is certain, though, is that Be, as both a business and a technology, and Gassée as an individual, are exponentially less successful now (by standard business metrics, not n…

> There would likely be no iPod and no iPhone. Why there would be no iPod? AFAIK it's not Steve Jobs who came with the idea.

No, Jobs didn't invent digital audio players, nor did anyone else at Apple. But Jobs decided to pursue it as a business. The story -- apocryphal or no -- is that Jobs named Apple Computer after the Beatles' label, Apple Records. He has always been a music fanatic. It is unlikely that with anyone else at the helm Apple would have driven as hard or as far into the music business.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Apple bought Be, it wouldn't have gotten Steve Jobs. It is possible that Apple would have died, and Be would have suffered the same fate either way.

That is possible. It is also possible that Apple would have thrived in different ways. There would likely be no iPod and no iPhone. Jobs would likely not be the legend that he is today, though of course he would still be in the history books. What is certain, though, is that Be, as both a business and a technology, and Gassée as an individual, are exponentially less successful now (by standard business metrics, not n…

There wouldn't have been an iPhone, but the Newton would most likely have become a smartphone platform.

(Actually a hypothetical 2002 NewtonPhone might have been quite the killer product against the first iterations of Symbian, Windows Mobile and PalmOS on Treos...)

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