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No One Tweets Like the Japanese, and That Was a Problem for Twitter

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"built a new system—known as a software “framework,” in engineering speak" Hearing the words "engineering speak" bothers me. Wired knows a significant portion of its readers are engineers, right? Saying just software framework would have probably been fine. Humans are pretty good at inferring the meaning of words from context...

I had the same thought when I saw that and the line "Much of this is thanks to a sweeping effort to rebuild the site using a software programming technology called Scala". I had to double check that I was reading something on wired.com. It seems even more excessively watered down than usual.

Re: No One Tweets Like the Japanese, and That Was a Problem for Twitter

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"built a new system—known as a software “framework,” in engineering speak" Hearing the words "engineering speak" bothers me. Wired knows a significant portion of its readers are engineers, right? Saying just software framework would have probably been fine. Humans are pretty good at inferring the meaning of words from context...

> Wired knows a significant portion of its readers are engineers, right? I seem to recall that Wired was widely regarded poorly in the technical community as early as the turn of the millenium and that it has long been viewed as something read by non-technical folks who want to feel "plugged in" to technology. So, I'd kind of be surprised if it was really the case that a "significant portion" of Wired's readers were…

That's my impression of Wired as well, but this still seems a bit egregious even for a layman's tech news site.

Re: No One Tweets Like the Japanese, and That Was a Problem for Twitter

#13

"built a new system—known as a software “framework,” in engineering speak" Hearing the words "engineering speak" bothers me. Wired knows a significant portion of its readers are engineers, right? Saying just software framework would have probably been fine. Humans are pretty good at inferring the meaning of words from context...

Just be glad it wasn't "boffin speak" as the contemptuous British press are so fond of.

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Didn't read the article, but I did grep it for unicode and utf-8 and found no matches, so this might also be related. Twitter lets you tweet 140 characters regardless of the bit width of those characters in. For Japanese, I think almost all characters take two bytes in utf-8. As such, given the same number of tweets, the bandwidth usage is approx 2X. Twitter also seems much more useful in ideogram languages as 140 ch…

Japanese is often encoded in Shift_JIS, which is much better than UTF-8 (for japanese text). Most browsers default to that encoding on japanese OSes, so there probably isn't a real bandwidth issue, depending on the ratio of browser to dedicated client usage. As for ideograms, your statement is not correct. Kanjis allow for better content/character ratios, certainly, but one kanji is very often not one word - the word…

I know it's such a tiny point, and very much off topic, but please don't "pluralize" words such as Kanji, Katakana, etc. As someone who has spent a lot of time learning Japanese, and who knows that Japanese words don't change between singular/plural (with certain exceptions, such as attaching "-tachi" to a word), seeing you write "Kanjis" or "Katakanas" so many times in a row really bothers me.

I'll go back to my corner and leave you alone now.

Re: No One Tweets Like the Japanese, and That Was a Problem for Twitter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japanese is often encoded in Shift_JIS, which is much better than UTF-8 (for japanese text). Most browsers default to that encoding on japanese OSes, so there probably isn't a real bandwidth issue, depending on the ratio of browser to dedicated client usage. As for ideograms, your statement is not correct. Kanjis allow for better content/character ratios, certainly, but one kanji is very often not one word - the word…

I know it's such a tiny point, and very much off topic, but please don't "pluralize" words such as Kanji, Katakana, etc. As someone who has spent a lot of time learning Japanese, and who knows that Japanese words don't change between singular/plural (with certain exceptions, such as attaching "-tachi" to a word), seeing you write "Kanjis" or "Katakanas" so many times in a row really bothers me. I'll go back to my cor…

Well, he's speaking English, not Japanese. Do you refer to multiple pizzas as pizze?

Re: No One Tweets Like the Japanese, and That Was a Problem for Twitter

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"built a new system—known as a software “framework,” in engineering speak" Hearing the words "engineering speak" bothers me. Wired knows a significant portion of its readers are engineers, right? Saying just software framework would have probably been fine. Humans are pretty good at inferring the meaning of words from context...

Just be glad it wasn't "boffin speak" as the contemptuous British press are so fond of.

Saying engineers sound like scientists is like saying Brits sound like Scots.

Sure, they understand each other, but it's a whole different dialect.

Re: No One Tweets Like the Japanese, and That Was a Problem for Twitter

#17
The 'no downtime' thing really rings true with me .. during my personal time working in Japan I found I'd become accustomed to the fact that it was just 'normal' to be going into the office after a few beers and working another shift .. to the point where, when I returned to California, it was really bizaare to me that, after 6pm, pretty much everyone went home and - except for a few hardcore hackers - life just seeped out of the office space(s) we called a workplace. I guess the different physical characteristics of the two locations has a lot to do with it, not to mention culture - back home (at the time) in California it was not at all weird to be spending up to two hours on the commute, just sitting on the freeways in ones car, completely alone tuned into whatever bland offerings the radio waves proferred, while in Japan I don't think I had a car-ride longer than 30 minutes the whole time I was there (airport lift) .. and there is something to be said for the vital 'energy' that imbues a place like Tokyo at 9pm in the evening on a Tuesday, where most of the world is still at work. Albeit drunk, at least in a good mood, but nevertheless: still working. I got used to heading out at 10pm on any workday and feeling really alive out there in the walking streets, like there wasn't a "shutdown" period before 12am.

The takeaway of this article to me is that, to be truly successful in the International markets of the new electronic economies, one really does have to disavow oneself of cultural baggage. I think I get better at that as the years go by - but I can't, nevertheless, help to feel very sorry for my old California associates who I know, even now today twenty years later, still spend a really inordinate amount of time on the freeway. Oh, how impersonal that life was ..

Re: No One Tweets Like the Japanese, and That Was a Problem for Twitter

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post #4

Didn't read the article, but I did grep it for unicode and utf-8 and found no matches, so this might also be related. Twitter lets you tweet 140 characters regardless of the bit width of those characters in. For Japanese, I think almost all characters take two bytes in utf-8. As such, given the same number of tweets, the bandwidth usage is approx 2X. Twitter also seems much more useful in ideogram languages as 140 ch…

It was completely and utterly not about that, which I believe actually surprised many of the readers of the article.

I wonder if they lost viewership by making a statement in their headline that people thought they knew the answer to already.

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Twitter's engineering blog posted about this phenomenon last year.[1] It's not as in-depth as I'd like, but it does contain some technical/architectural details about how they scaled to deal with such high traffic. 1. https://blog.twitter.com/2013/new-tweets-per-second-record-a...

That's a far better description of what happened and the result than the original linked article.

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post #17

The 'no downtime' thing really rings true with me .. during my personal time working in Japan I found I'd become accustomed to the fact that it was just 'normal' to be going into the office after a few beers and working another shift .. to the point where, when I returned to California, it was really bizaare to me that, after 6pm, pretty much everyone went home and - except for a few hardcore hackers - life just seep…

   it was really bizaare to me that, after 6pm, pretty much everyone went home
I highly recommend it. It's called having a life.
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