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Re: Ask HN: How can I enjoy my job?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the contrary, I am worried that if I work any less, they will fire me. I get into work at 7:00 AM every morning to an empty office. Others join me around three hours later, but I understand that since nobody sees me come in there is a misconception about the hours that I work. I leave at 7:00 PM. I would like to write a Python interpreter in Python, though. That sounds like a lot of fun. :)

Unless your work hours are being explicitly questioned, you perhaps are being a self conscious to the point of being unhappy. There is also a difference between being physically present for 12 hours and being productive. I don't think anybody would for a minute guess you are productive for 12 hours. If you actually are, you are way more valuable to the company than they are paying you and they would be damn fools to…

Understood. I did not mean to imply that I'm productive the entire time. In fact, I don't believe in working 12 hours days specifically because I agree that virtually no person can put in 12 hours of productive work in a single day.

I take time to eat breakfast, lunch, and sometimes dinner while at work. I also take off at 5:00 some days to exercise, not to mention the fact that I take a 20 minute nap every day directly after lunch.

We use a system similar to Jira called Phabricator. I'm also interested in how our team can use Phabricator better, because I don't think it paints an accurate picture of the amount of work anyone at the company puts in.

Re: Ask HN: How can I enjoy my job?

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Your Problem: You don't have patience. Remember, life is long and you have a lot things to learn. I had same issue as yours in my last company. I hated the company, their coding style, their system...everything. But after working 1 year there, I realized things weren't too bad. I really feel happy I learned a lot there. Then I moved to my current job. I hated it for 6 months. I hated the code. So messy. I thought I deserved better. But now I'm in seventh month. I convinced my senior to move to new tools and new framework. I am already working on it. I learned so much here. Greatest thing: how to convince, how to tolerate, how to have patience and what NOT to DO. Now I know what type of attitude should a senior developer should have, what responsibility is. I am so glad I stayed till now. Have patience. Take every negative as well as positive as opportunity to learn. That's how you'll move forward. At last, be a good person. Be humble, respect others. Be a good listener. Problem with programming world is most of the developers talk more and listen very less. They search for quick answers and read very less. Don't go that way. Best of Luck !!!

Re: Ask HN: How can I enjoy my job?

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Why don't you take your time doing outside backend projects ? Spend less time for the company you are working and more time for your own backend enjoyable projects. It's not like they fire you at the point, just take things slowly at work and try to focus your own projects which you enjoy.

To the contrary, I am worried that if I work any less, they will fire me. I get into work at 7:00 AM every morning to an empty office. Others join me around three hours later, but I understand that since nobody sees me come in there is a misconception about the hours that I work. I leave at 7:00 PM. I would like to write a Python interpreter in Python, though. That sounds like a lot of fun. :)

Why are you working 12 hours a day at a job you don't enjoy?

Stop. Stop now. Sleep in tomorrow morning, and leave around 5 or 6. Pay careful attention that the world does not end because you've done so--and if you get fired, you can punch me in the stomach.

Re: Ask HN: How can I enjoy my job?

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post #2

Why don't you take your time doing outside backend projects ? Spend less time for the company you are working and more time for your own backend enjoyable projects. It's not like they fire you at the point, just take things slowly at work and try to focus your own projects which you enjoy.

To the contrary, I am worried that if I work any less, they will fire me. I get into work at 7:00 AM every morning to an empty office. Others join me around three hours later, but I understand that since nobody sees me come in there is a misconception about the hours that I work. I leave at 7:00 PM. I would like to write a Python interpreter in Python, though. That sounds like a lot of fun. :)

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Re: Ask HN: How can I enjoy my job?

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I was in the same boat. Then I recallibrated myself a bit and everything changed. The tweak was what I thought "work" was. If you think going to this place called office and doing what you think you love to do (code, design, water plants etc.) is what it is about, then you will mostly find yourself in your current situation.

Now think of office as this place which is a set of problems. Mediocre talent, useless meeting, aimless projects, difficult managers etc. and you are captain-problem-crusher. You have one goal: make this place efficient and super productive. Impossible? Not for captain-problem-crusher. Track your progress. Keep score. 2 months, in were you able to eliminate 40% of meetings? Were you able to make middle managers play nice? Great.

People will start calling you leader, visionary and stupid stuff like that. Ignore them. You are captain-problem-crusher.

Re: Ask HN: How can I enjoy my job?

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Something for you to ponder: Maybe you are not the type that should be working for other people but should have other people working for you... Design patterns are nice but choosing the right one can have a long term positive or negative effect on the project, I would recommend learning them more in detail and when a conversation comes up about them you provide constructive criticism if needed if you have found bette…

Thank you for taking the time to write that.

I have never seriously considered working for myself. Because I live in Silicon Valley, the thought has crossed my mind, but never for more than a few moments.

From what I can tell, this all sounds like very good advice. I'll be bookmarking your answer so I can return to it frequently. :)

Re: Ask HN: How can I enjoy my job?

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post #5

You are not alone dude. I have had similar feelings when I graduated here in India and started my first job in corporate culture ! If you are skilled enough then start doing a "freelancing", don't need to waste your time in a "job" thing. Act like a businessman and extract more value of your time !! As far as " inability to deal with other people " problem is concerned, you will have to train yourself to deal with th…

It is always nice to hear that one is not alone. Thank you. :)

Re: Ask HN: How can I enjoy my job?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the contrary, I am worried that if I work any less, they will fire me. I get into work at 7:00 AM every morning to an empty office. Others join me around three hours later, but I understand that since nobody sees me come in there is a misconception about the hours that I work. I leave at 7:00 PM. I would like to write a Python interpreter in Python, though. That sounds like a lot of fun. :)

Why are you working 12 hours a day at a job you don't enjoy? Stop. Stop now. Sleep in tomorrow morning, and leave around 5 or 6. Pay careful attention that the world does not end because you've done so--and if you get fired, you can punch me in the stomach.

I don't think I want to punch someone named "angersock" in the stomache. :)

Re: Ask HN: How can I enjoy my job?

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First of all you need to love your profession. Then take deep analysis why i'm working here. Then you will get the answer. Plan your day with Do's and dont Do's list. Then execute step by step. Take a nap and share your thoughts with your co workers boldly

Re: Ask HN: How can I enjoy my job?

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I've been also struggling with the same sort of situation.

Initially I was working as the only developer at a small company. I spent a lot of time building better code and learning as much as I could. After about a year I noticed my forward momentum slowing and my overall happiness dropping. I felt I wasn't improving enough by myself.

I moved to another company with 5 other developers. I thought this company was going to be a great opportunity to improve my skills. However I quickly realized the company as a whole hired only mediocre developers with no will or skill to improve. I feel I provided a lot of value while at the company but as a whole I was extremely unhappy. The companies managers, if you can even call them that, had literally no experience. What they had in age they lacked in technical ability and skill.

I quickly moved to the my current company and I can say things have changed for the better. Although my company has hired some mediocre developers and cheap overseas labor we do have a fantastic CTO leading our technology department. I've been really able to improve my knowledge and skills considerably. I find I'm much happier and feel more accomplished.

What I've found to be most important for my happiness is company culture and leadership. Our culture is very open and playful. Although we joke a lot we work hard when it comes down to it. Our leadership is solid. It makes a world of difference coming from my previous employer who had 10x the money but lacked the leadership to do anything with it.

I still deal with the other mediocre developers and their poor attitudes but I've been able to look past them. Focusing on learning from our CTO as well as becoming the problem solver has has helped myself exponentially. Being the problem solver allows you to see the issues and work towards fixing them instead of allowing them to hinder your progress and growth.

To address some of your points: 1. How can I figure out why I can't enjoy any job that I take? This takes a lot of self reflection. I had to consider why I was at my current company and what was keeping me there to really find my own answer. I don't think anyone but yourself can answer this question for you. Spend some personal reflection time on this.

2. How can I tell if I am the problem? I would suggest looking at your behavior at work. Are you friendly? When someone needs help do you help them or turn them away? I don't think you're the problem but your unhappiness can exacerbate an existing problem.

3. How can I stop doing front end work? You're going to just to have to start doing back end work. It's clear your not going to be assigned any so just start doing back end work and start forcing opportunities for you to do the back end work. The worst they can say is no, but it's unlikely.

4. How can I identify a good team before accepting the job? I've struggled with this issue. The interview can be difficult to judge. I've been fooled multiple times into thinking the team I was joining was a strong development team. The number one question I would ask if given the chance was which framework was chosen and why it was chosen. If they don't have a good answer its a VERY CLEAR sign the development team is quite weak.

5. Is it bad that I'm moving through jobs so quickly? No. Double no. Triple no. You're happiness is important. If you're current job isn't providing the right environment for personal growth move on until you find the right company. In the last year I've had 3 jobs. You're going to find a lot of duds before you find a winner. In my experience it's been financially more rewarding to switch jobs. If you find you only reason for staying is fear, then leave. Don't let yourself be afraid of trying something new.

I would also create a GitHub account. Consider it your public code resume. You need to fill it with interesting projects. So start filling it with code. This has helped jump start my own personal growth.

Seth Godin has a book called Linch Pin which I highly suggest reading. It's just the right kind of motivation you need in your situation.

To sum it up: Keep working hard. Keep growing. Keeping learning. Never let anyone get in your way. Don't ever settle for mediocre and most importantly be happy and share the art you create with the world.

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