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Re: Low-level Bitcoin

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Post by M4v3R »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #9
Theyeard wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already do that: http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photo... Also related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

So what happens if someone puts CP into the block chain and publishes the instructions to retrieve after two months?

It is perfectly possible to do so, but it would be quite expensive to do so. It is easy to embed ASCII data (some 40-80 bytes) in one transaction, but that's it. To embed an image, requiring at least few kilobytes of binary data, you would need to pay a significant amount of fees.

Re: Low-level Bitcoin

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

Theyeard wrote: post #10
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what happens if someone puts CP into the block chain and publishes the instructions to retrieve after two months?

The same thing that happens to every other data put in transactions - if they're included in blocks every node (full verifying node [0]) downloads it and stores it locally forever. [0]: https://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/wiki/FullVerification

So a lawless space? What if a judge wants the data to be removed?

Re: Low-level Bitcoin

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Post by lastcanal »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #12
Theyeard wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same thing that happens to every other data put in transactions - if they're included in blocks every node (full verifying node [0]) downloads it and stores it locally forever. [0]: https://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/wiki/FullVerification

So a lawless space? What if a judge wants the data to be removed?

Then they'd need some very powerful mining equipment! Bitcoin uses merkel trees to ensure transactions in blocks never change.

Re: Low-level Bitcoin

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #12
Theyeard wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same thing that happens to every other data put in transactions - if they're included in blocks every node (full verifying node [0]) downloads it and stores it locally forever. [0]: https://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/wiki/FullVerification

So a lawless space? What if a judge wants the data to be removed?

An unregulated/unregulatable space. Might as well try to regulate math - "PI is 3"

Re: Low-level Bitcoin

#15

Post by oleganza »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #9
Theyeard wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already do that: http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photo... Also related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

So what happens if someone puts CP into the block chain and publishes the instructions to retrieve after two months?

On related note, you can think of a JPEG image as an instruction to retrieve CP from your CPU and LED screen if you will. When it comes to law, there's no logic since all laws are written and interpreted by faulty humans with some weird ideas in their heads (like "lets beat the shit out of people who disobey").

Re: Low-level Bitcoin

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Post by qnr »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #9
Theyeard wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already do that: http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photo... Also related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

So what happens if someone puts CP into the block chain and publishes the instructions to retrieve after two months?

Nothing. The way arbitrary data is stored in the blockchain is encoding it in the financial transactional data.

For example, you could use a similar method to "store" data using Paypal: use the amount of cents in each transaction to encode a byte of data (e.g. $1.17 means 0x75 etc.) and make transfers to random people until enough bytes have been transferred. That's it, your copyrighted data or CP is now forever "stored" on Paypal servers.

I don't think this accusation will hold up in any reasonable court. Taking into account the cost of storing data (20 bytes in a single output of minimum 5400 satoshi + fees) your hypothetical instructions and code to retrieve the images would be of comparable size to any images you can reasonably store.

Re: Low-level Bitcoin

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Post by oleganza »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #12
Theyeard wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same thing that happens to every other data put in transactions - if they're included in blocks every node (full verifying node [0]) downloads it and stores it locally forever. [0]: https://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/wiki/FullVerification

So a lawless space? What if a judge wants the data to be removed?

If the judge is really determined to put you in jail he will find CP, cocaine and unpaid taxes everywhere in your life. Law operates beyond logic and reason: only authoritative opinions and scripture interpretations matter. Ask that question to those who will put handcuffs on you, not to fellow peaceful citizens.

Re: Low-level Bitcoin

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #14
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a lawless space? What if a judge wants the data to be removed?

An unregulated/unregulatable space. Might as well try to regulate math - "PI is 3"

How is that related? If someone puts CP intentionally into the block chain that has nothing to do with math. The spread of child pornography is a criminal offense and they could just force every miner to split the chain or charge them for spread of CP.

Re: Low-level Bitcoin

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Post by Theyeard »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #18
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An unregulated/unregulatable space. Might as well try to regulate math - "PI is 3"

How is that related? If someone puts CP intentionally into the block chain that has nothing to do with math. The spread of child pornography is a criminal offense and they could just force every miner to split the chain or charge them for spread of CP.

Pi is a number. A picture is also a number (a very long one, just like any other file), including CP.

Re: Low-level Bitcoin

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

Theyeard wrote: post #19
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that related? If someone puts CP intentionally into the block chain that has nothing to do with math. The spread of child pornography is a criminal offense and they could just force every miner to split the chain or charge them for spread of CP.

Pi is a number. A picture is also a number (a very long one, just like any other file), including CP.

By that logic you could make anything illegal, legal.
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